How do we kick Aegis out of Obsidian Orbital?

[the100thmonkey]

Are they a native faction to Maia (including dev-insertion), or did they expand in?

If it's the former, it will take developer intervention to remove them; if it's the latter, push them to <2.5% influence and keep them there. They'll be forced into retreat.

The latter is also going to be practically impossible without the entire community behind it.

 

[CMDR Corlas]

Ah, I see. You believe everything that's written in the newspapers as well then?

/rolleyes

Yeah, a strawman will make you look smart...

 

[Mrat13]

Are they a native faction to Maia (including dev-insertion), or did they expand in?

If it's the former, it will take developer intervention to remove them; if it's the latter, push them to <2.5% influence and keep them there. They'll be forced into retreat.

The latter is also going to be practically impossible without the entire community behind it.

If the latter, the community WILL get salty.

 

[DeathStroke]

You can't. Just more bad game design from FD. They needed a path of destruction from the Pleiades to the bubble, so the 'put' aegis labs in stations that were in the path.

Just shows how little FD care about the community. Did they have a CG to put aegis labs in OO? Nope. Did they have a poll or vote to see if players wanted an aegis lab in OO? Nope again. Did they do ANYTHING to see if the community either wanted an aegis lab in OO or not? Nope to the max.

 

[777Driver]

Just shows how little FD care about the community. Did they have a CG to put aegis labs in OO? Nope. Did they have a poll or vote to see if players wanted an aegis lab in OO? Nope again. Did they do ANYTHING to see if the community either wanted an aegis lab in OO or not? Nope to the max.

Since when was this a democracy? The Labs are just part of the story line, it is meant to be the three powers making the decisions, it is safe to say a public vote for the locations of Aegis biological testing labs is not going to happen.

 

[DeathStroke]

Since when was this a democracy? The Labs are just part of the story line, it is meant to be the three powers making the decisions, it is safe to say a public vote for the locations of Aegis biological testing labs is not going to happen.

Nice strawman fallacy. Obsidian Orbital has been a player station since before it's creation. Players ran the CG to get it built. It's even named after Obsidian Ant. The players who ground out that CG should get a say in who sets up shop in it.

 

[777Driver]

Obsidian Orbital has been a player station since before it's creation. Players ran the CG to get it built. It's even named after Obsidian Ant. The players who ground out that CG should get a say in who sets up shop in it.

Yes, I am fully aware of all that, I was there during the construction CG. Not sure what all of that has to do with the thargoid story line? We didn't even hit a high tier at that CG, hence why Obsidian Orbital has pretty much sweet FA when it comes to services.

Once again, those Aegis labs are just part of a story line, there are no Aegis factions at Obsidian Orbital, just an imaginary research lab that got destroyed by an imaginary Thargoid strike. Apart from the lack of Palin missions, business is as usual in the Pleiades system.

Obsidian Orbital was announced to have an Aegis lab way before the attack occurred, nobody gave a damn. It was clear the whole area would become cannon fodder for the Thargoids.

 

[WR3ND]

Emergent gameplay and all that, as they say. Frontier choosing to include it in the developing Thargoid story or situation, whatever you'd call it, makes sense to me.

That being said, I think it would be nice of course if we could band together to make Obsidian Orbital more of a neutral outpost and safe haven though for explorers and other players alike. The whole business is rather meta either way, but I at least know I didn't help build it to be a combat research or "defense" facility to engage the Thargoids. There's a difference between neutral scientific research and militant research, though the line can often seem a little blurry.

 

[Mrat13]

You can't. Just more bad game design from FD. They needed a path of destruction from the Pleiades to the bubble, so the 'put' aegis labs in stations that were in the path.

Just shows how little FD care about the community. Did they have a CG to put aegis labs in OO? Nope. Did they have a poll or vote to see if players wanted an aegis lab in OO? Nope again. Did they do ANYTHING to see if the community either wanted an aegis lab in OO or not? Nope to the max.

Since when was this a democracy? The Labs are just part of the story line, it is meant to be the three powers making the decisions, it is safe to say a public vote for the locations of Aegis biological testing labs is not going to happen.

How about a compromise? Build a new station specifically for scientific research in the Pleiades, but keep Aegis out of it. Would guarantee a cargo CG, at least.

 

[777Driver]

How about a compromise? Build a new station specifically for scientific research in the Pleiades, but keep Aegis out of it. Would guarantee a cargo CG, at least.

We built the Gnosis specifically for that, and it can jump too. The ship has been in the Pleiades region for a while, pretty sure it departs Maia in March.

 

[Ulaidian]

Well unless someone is on all fours with the goids, there is very little we can do about their choices, except make them have to think about the consequences.. of which there are very few for them.

 

[Mrat13]

We built the Gnosis specifically for that, and it can jump too. The ship has been in the Pleiades region for a while, pretty sure it departs in Maia in March.

Yes but it jumps away again. Not exactly a concrete scientific outpost for that region is it?

Although maybe I'm biased with that whole another cargo CG thing. Seriously, it always seems like they get pushed to the back of the que....

 

[IndigoWyrd]

Like many of you out there as well, I'm sure, I didn't help build Obsidian Orbital for it to be an arm of Aegis, nor to be used as a forward operating base to launch attacks against the Thargoids from.

Many of us at the time originally conceived Obsidian Orbital (well before even submitting and voting on its name) as being a neutral scientific research facility and outpost of humanity that would serve to help explorers out in the black exploring outward toward the rim of the galaxy and as a place to do legitimate scientific research in the Pleiades, an attraction in their own right, free from the oversight and jurisdiction of private interests and political factions in the bubble.

It's not particularly neutral if you go kicking people out, now is it?
And it's not exactly free from oversight if you're overseeing who can conduct what manner of research there.
Also sounds like a lot of Your Own Private Interests and Politics, outside the bubble.

I Petition to Rename Obsidian Orbital "Hypocrisy Station".

 

[relayer]

/rolleyes

Yeah, a strawman will make you look smart...

*trying to distinguish if this is a strawman or a sealion... checks Urban Dictionary*

 

[WR3ND]

It's not particularly neutral if you go kicking people out, now is it?
And it's not exactly free from oversight if you're overseeing who can conduct what manner of research there.
Also sounds like a lot of Your Own Private Interests and Politics, outside the bubble.

I Petition to Rename Obsidian Orbital "Hypocrisy Station".

I hope you're intentionally exaggerating here. Two can play that game. Let's turn a library into a barracks for the sake of neutrality.

I think you're choosing to view "neutrality" in a rather peculiar way. I'm not saying I want the station open to any and all for any reason they might like. Sorry for any confusion.

What I'd prefer in relation to the Thargoids would be more along the lines of Obsidian Orbital being more of an embassy of humanity, not a weapons research facility or the like.

Hope that's clear enough to understand what I mean here.

 

[Mrat13]

I hope you're intentionally exaggerating here. Two can play that game. Let's turn a library into a barracks for the sake of neutrality.

I think you're choosing to view "neutrality" in a rather peculiar way. I'm not saying I want the station open to any and all for any reason they might like. Sorry for any confusion.

Have to agree. WMDs are not the same as scientific research....

 

[WR3ND]

A neutral outpost would allow anyone in who was doing research. What you're suggesting is the opposite of neutrality. Aegis even doesn't control OO, they just rent a couple rooms there.

No need to argue semantics and context. I think most of you understand what I mean by it. Think like Switzerland or something, or even "net neutrality" if you prefer.

 

[CMDR Zadian Lichtfrost]

Have to agree. WMDs are not the same as scientific research....

And literature is not the same as WMDs.

 

[WR3ND]

For the sake of argument, I mean neutral in terms of the Thargoid human conflict (and really between the Powers as well, preferably, but that's somewhat of another issue), i.e., not having an anti-Thargoid research facility there.

I'm not referring to "neutrality" in a pop-culture politicized context. Let's try and keep the discussion above water here. If someone does actually want these sort of facilities there, then that of course is an understandable preference, just something I don't want. Having differing opinions about this sort of thing is fine.