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[sollisb]

What else is being nerfed? Do you mean the ridiculous amount of credits you got for passenger missions. Well about time. But I wouldn't call that a nerf, more like a fix. Anything else get "nerfed".

I am about as opposite to you as it goes. I am a happy old man. Or more like middle aged man.

Robigo - Nerfed.. Was 'working as intended'
Quince - nerfed.. Was 'working as intended'
PaX - nerfed.. Was 'working as intended'

All these things were fun, and obviously progressed the 'game' for a lot of players

A small handful of players whine that it's not in the immersion of the 'game' and suddenly they get nerfed. Wake up call here; there is no immersion in Elite Dangerous. We are sold a 'be what you like, do what you like' but.. it's not really like that is it? It's more a 'play like some other folks want you to play'..

There is no end game in this, the only thing to strive for is ships and bank balances. Slowely but surely that is all being taken away. Unless you want to do it over a lifetime, while you grow old.

Elite Dangerous is an amazing graphical environment to play in, but, from being a 'be your own pilot' it's do as we want you to do. And frankly, it's ruining it. My opinion obviously.

And then we have this moronic idea that NPC ships should fly and face hug us while we're in combat, and when they get a shot in the face, they cry foul and we get a fine. I brought the new Chief into the High Res (wasn't sure of it's capabilities in a HazRez) and I lost more shields to Cop Fire than I did to bounty fire. It's insane, and inane. And of course we have the armchair heroes who cry 'mind your fire' like thay actually know anything about battle ground scenarios. The truth is, no-one with any modicum of intelligence runs across a field of fire. Whomever codes this rubbish in FDev knows absolutely nothing about warfare. MEh: Frustrated.

 

[Demascus]

What else is being nerfed? Do you mean the ridiculous amount of credits you got for passenger missions. Well about time. But I wouldn't call that a nerf, more like a fix. Anything else get "nerfed".

I am about as opposite to you as it goes. I am a happy old man. Or more like middle aged man.

Oh look, someone dictating how people should or should not make credits in a game where credits have no real impact outside of ship variety and rebuys.

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

Oh look, someone dictating how people should or should not make credits in a game where credits have no real impact outside of ship variety and rebuys.

Where am I dictating how people should make credits? Surely that is FDev saying it was wrong. Why blame me?

Where am Insaying people should not make credits? Even though it's pretty impossible not to make credits in the game.

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

Robigo - Nerfed.. Was 'working as intended'
Quince - nerfed.. Was 'working as intended'
PaX - nerfed.. Was 'working as intended'

All these things were fun, and obviously progressed the 'game' for a lot of players

A small handful of players whine that it's not in the immersion of the 'game' and suddenly they get nerfed. Wake up call here; there is no immersion in Elite Dangerous. We are sold a 'be what you like, do what you like' but.. it's not really like that is it? It's more a 'play like some other folks want you to play'..

There is no end game in this, the only thing to strive for is ships and bank balances. Slowely but surely that is all being taken away. Unless you want to do it over a lifetime, while you grow old.

Elite Dangerous is an amazing graphical environment to play in, but, from being a 'be your own pilot' it's do as we want you to do. And frankly, it's ruining it. My opinion obviously.

And then we have this moronic idea that NPC ships should fly and face hug us while we're in combat, and when they get a shot in the face, they cry foul and we get a fine. I brought the new Chief into the High Res (wasn't sure of it's capabilities in a HazRez) and I lost more shields to Cop Fire than I did to bounty fire. It's insane, and inane. And of course we have the armchair heroes who cry 'mind your fire' like thay actually know anything about battle ground scenarios. The truth is, no-one with any modicum of intelligence runs across a field of fire. Whomever codes this rubbish in FDev knows absolutely nothing about warfare. MEh: Frustrated.

I would hazard a guess and say it wasn't working as intended if they changed it.

As for your haz res issues. First I have heard of It, so a bit difficult for me to comment on them.

Also not running across a field of fire is not always that easy. You cant always sew where that fire is. I bet we have all ran across the field of fire without even knowing when perusing a ship.

 

[[VR] Mad Mike]

Robigo - Nerfed.. Was 'working as intended'
Quince - nerfed.. Was 'working as intended'
PaX - nerfed.. Was 'working as intended'

All these things were fun, and obviously progressed the 'game' for a lot of players

A small handful of players whine that it's not in the immersion of the 'game' and suddenly they get nerfed. Wake up call here; there is no immersion in Elite Dangerous. We are sold a 'be what you like, do what you like' but.. it's not really like that is it? It's more a 'play like some other folks want you to play'..

There is no end game in this, the only thing to strive for is ships and bank balances. Slowely but surely that is all being taken away. Unless you want to do it over a lifetime, while you grow old.

Elite Dangerous is an amazing graphical environment to play in, but, from being a 'be your own pilot' it's do as we want you to do. And frankly, it's ruining it. My opinion obviously.

And then we have this moronic idea that NPC ships should fly and face hug us while we're in combat, and when they get a shot in the face, they cry foul and we get a fine. I brought the new Chief into the High Res (wasn't sure of it's capabilities in a HazRez) and I lost more shields to Cop Fire than I did to bounty fire. It's insane, and inane. And of course we have the armchair heroes who cry 'mind your fire' like thay actually know anything about battle ground scenarios. The truth is, no-one with any modicum of intelligence runs across a field of fire. Whomever codes this rubbish in FDev knows absolutely nothing about warfare. MEh: Frustrated.

lol quince working as intended? mate... pull the other one....... of all the screwups in ED history (so far) the Quince exploit has to be the most laughably broken. At least the 5 - 1 engineer exploit was convoluted and you could understand how it was missed...

Robigo is an interesting one. With hindsite that had a failure state, didnt earn as much as the other broken BGS issues and did make some sense to pay a little more than the average,

So true, it would have been better if FD had just tweaked them, and the numbers of cargo for the mission, and also the main exploits for that has since been fixed (cancel mission and sell the loot indefinately as well as sell the loot, fly to destination next door and buy it again both fixed now) that Robigo like smuggling missions could easily be reinstated

(following is not aimed at you sollisb)

I do not give 2 figs how you or anyone else play the game... use a cheat, get 5 billion credits on logging in.. I do not care!.

this is all about me wanting to play a game with a consistent and plausible economy.... Verisimilitude ....... having obviously broken missions such as completing every mission in your list by scanning 1 data point / killing 1 pirate (latter is fixed now) is NOT the kind of half baked Background Simulation i was sold.

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

lol quince working as intended? mate... pull the other one....... of all the screwups in ED history (so far) the Quince exploit has to be the most laughably broken. At least the 5 - 1 engineer exploit was convoluted and you could understand how it was missed...

Robigo is an interesting one. With hindsite that had a failure state, didnt earn as much as the other broken BGS issues and did make some sense to pay a little more than the average,

So true, it would have been better if FD had just tweaked them, and the numbers of cargo for the mission, and also the main exploits for that has since been fixed (cancel mission and sell the loot indefinately as well as sell the loot, fly to destination next door and buy it again both fixed now) that Robigo like smuggling missions could easily be reinstated

(following is not aimed at you sollisb)

I do not give 2 figs how you or anyone else play the game... use a cheat, get 5 billion credits on logging in.. I do not care!.

this is all about me wanting to play a game with a consistent and plausible economy.... Verisimilitude ....... having obviously broken missions such as completing every mission in your list by scanning 1 data point / killing 1 pirate (latter is fixed now) is NOT the kind of half baked Background Simulation i was sold.

Completely agree.

 

[Sandro Sammarco]

Hello Commanders!

Un-stickying this thread, as it has run its course.

 

[aRJay]

Robigo - Nerfed.. Was 'working as intended'
Quince - nerfed.. Was 'working as intended'
PaX - nerfed.. Was 'working as intended'

All these things were fun, and obviously progressed the 'game' for a lot of players

A small handful of players whine that it's not in the immersion of the 'game' and suddenly they get nerfed. Wake up call here; there is no immersion in Elite Dangerous. We are sold a 'be what you like, do what you like' but.. it's not really like that is it? It's more a 'play like some other folks want you to play'..

There is no end game in this, the only thing to strive for is ships and bank balances. Slowely but surely that is all being taken away. Unless you want to do it over a lifetime, while you grow old.

Elite Dangerous is an amazing graphical environment to play in, but, from being a 'be your own pilot' it's do as we want you to do. And frankly, it's ruining it. My opinion obviously.

And then we have this moronic idea that NPC ships should fly and face hug us while we're in combat, and when they get a shot in the face, they cry foul and we get a fine. I brought the new Chief into the High Res (wasn't sure of it's capabilities in a HazRez) and I lost more shields to Cop Fire than I did to bounty fire. It's insane, and inane. And of course we have the armchair heroes who cry 'mind your fire' like thay actually know anything about battle ground scenarios. The truth is, no-one with any modicum of intelligence runs across a field of fire. Whomever codes this rubbish in FDev knows absolutely nothing about warfare. MEh: Frustrated.

Robigo, Quince and PaX all involved being told what to do by mission givers over and over again, so the money was great but the fun was nonexistent after a couple of repeats. As you say there is no endgame so why hurry I take my time and still have goals besides seeing the beauty that has been provided for us. Knowing that the only objective I had in the game was adding zeroes to my bank balance would definitely nerf the enjoyment.

Obviously my mileage varies hugely and we are all losing the point of this thread which was to make the KWS better, hopefully when it and the additional bounty changes drop we, well you lot really will have done our job. I look forward to the promised future focus groups.

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

Robigo, Quince and PaX all involved being told what to do by mission givers over and over again, so the money was great but the fun was nonexistent after a couple of repeats. As you say there is no endgame so why hurry I take my time and still have goals besides seeing the beauty that has been provided for us. Knowing that the only objective I had in the game was adding zeroes to my bank balance would definitely nerf the enjoyment.

Obviously my mileage varies hugely and we are all losing the point of this thread which was to make the KWS better, hopefully when it and the additional bounty changes drop we, well you lot really will have done our job. I look forward to the promised future focus groups.

His post doesn't make sense. As he said there is no end game, why strive for anything. Just enjoy yourself and you will get everything eventually anyway.

 

[sollisb]

His post doesn't make sense. As he said there is no end game, why strive for anything. Just enjoy yourself and you will get everything eventually anyway.

Yeh but I'd prefer if I wasn't old man with a grey beard by the time I get it!!

I note all the folks who say it wasn't a nerf have suddenly lost their voice.. Or maybe too busy eating humble pie!

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

Yeh but I'd prefer if I wasn't old man with a grey beard by the time I get it!!

I prefer to enjoy myself instead. Credits, ships etc are meaningless at the end of the day. As long as you are having a good time is all that counts.

I note all the folks who say it wasn't a nerf have suddenly lost their voice.. Or maybe too busy eating humble pie!

What is a nerf. The new mechanics coming in 2 weeks time. Nope that isn't a nerf. It will be a benefit and you could potentially get more credits. As to what is on live at the moment, it isn't great, but that wasn't ever in dispute afaik, hence the reason for the save the KWS thread.

In this thread we are talking about the mechanics coming in two weeks time, so no reason to think they are eating humble pie, maybe they are just playing the game.

 

[raymondo the great]

Yeh but I'd prefer if I wasn't old man with a grey beard by the time I get it!!

I note all the folks who say it wasn't a nerf have suddenly lost their voice.. Or maybe too busy eating humble pie!

"There is no nerf
there is no nerf
{but Sandro said..}
THERE IS NO NERF!
ARE YOU LOT ON ABOUT? NO ONE CARES ABOUT CREDITS ANYWAY! WHO CARES ABOUT NERFS?"

Said basically all those who whitekighted over the KWS for the last mont!

 

[sollisb]

I prefer to enjoy myself instead. Credits, ships etc are meaningless at the end of the day. As long as you are having a good time is all that counts.



What is a nerf. The new mechanics coming in 2 weeks time. Nope that isn't a nerf. It will be a benefit and you could potentially get more credits. As to what is on live at the moment, it isn't great, but that wasn't ever in dispute afaik, hence the reason for the save the KWS thread.

In this thread we are talking about the mechanics coming in two weeks time, so no reason to think they are eating humble pie, maybe they are just playing the game.

If it suits you to say that, run with it by all means. Far I'm concerned they called me a liar on these forums, and didn't have the tenacity to apologise when they were proven wrong.

<o

 

[[VR] Mad Mike]

If it suits you to say that, run with it by all means. Far I'm concerned they called me a liar on these forums, and didn't have the tenacity to apologise when they were proven wrong.

<o

what? dude you need to chill...... I think FD were clear that the (much improved) changes in the KWS which are being implemented would not come in yesterday...... IF 12 months from now we still have the same mechanics as now i will agree with you FD killed the KWS, but i actually like the finalised proposition for KWS 3.0... its just not ready to go in the game yet.

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

If it suits you to say that, run with it by all means.

It's got nothing to do with what suits me, but about facts which you just seem to ignore to push a meaningless argument.

Far I'm concerned they called me a liar on these forums, and didn't have the tenacity to apologise when they were proven wrong.

Except they were not proven wrong. They have been talking about the update coming in two weeks time, not what is out now. For some reason you were discussing something which wasn't to do with this thread and you continue to do so. That is the reason why people where calling you a troll, they probably lost patience with you. Why you keep doing it is beyond me.

 

[Crank Larson]

I think people who have been told ignore has been pressed on them should probably not bother trying to quote those people to start an argument...people might consider it flaming or baiting....

Your ignore list is your issue, no-one else's. Personally, I don't have anyone on my ignore list, and couldn't care less if I am on anyone else's. I certainly wouldn't keep track of anyone that wanted to ignore me, as you are implying.

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

what? dude you need to chill...... I think FD were clear that the (much improved) changes in the KWS which are being implemented would not come in yesterday...... IF 12 months from now we still have the same mechanics as now i will agree with you FD killed the KWS, but i actually like the finalised proposition for KWS 3.0... its just not ready to go in the game yet.

Agreed. If the changes don't come in for some reason, then I too will agree, but I see no reason why they wouldn't.

 

[Crank Larson]

I would hazard a guess and say it wasn't working as intended if they changed it.

You do know that no-one uses logic on these forums, don't you?

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

You do know that no-one uses logic on these forums, don't you?

Beginning to look like that.

 

[raymondo the great]

Your ignore list is your issue, no-one else's. Personally, I don't have anyone on my ignore list, and couldn't care less if I am on anyone else's. I certainly wouldn't keep track of anyone that wanted to ignore me, as you are implying.

I guess you are another one who is hard of reading....Comments addresed to max white knight factor aren't addressed to you. Understand?