Good job on the livestream! Glad to hear the KWS will be updated soon to be buffed/fixed better than I would've expected.
Thanks again!
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Good job on the livestream! Glad to hear the KWS will be updated soon to be buffed/fixed better than I would've expected.
Thanks again!
Ditto. Great explanation on the stream Sandro and you know what? I'm happy. We good? (I probably owe you a pint - or several - claim them at Lavecon!).
Having finished reading the Patch Notes, I'd like to say wow!! I complain like the grumpy old man I am, but that list is awesome.
Here's wishing you the best for the launch, I truely hope all goes well!!
The offer of Guinness stands if you're ever in Ireland
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Yup, agreed - just listened on the livestream and read the linked notes above and now it seems the KWS will be actually able to detect bounties outside the current system.
What makes me laugh is that after getting my head around how the KWS never used to be able to detect bounties in other systems despite me thinking wrongly that they did, they're now going to actually do that exact thing.
When it comes to NPC's, I hope those out-system bounties will be actual extras on top of the existing local bounties, rather than some of the existing bounty value being shared with those out-system factions, otherwise it might not be a buff - since you'd then have to fly around a lot of systems to collect the same value of bounties as before. That'll all come down to the under-the-hood stuff mentioned with how the bounties are being generated.
When the new system goes live, I'll be mounting a KWS to see just how it works.
In any case, I'm very happy with this.
Anyone going to post the latest suggestion for us all to fight over while we await the patch?
Is there an ETA or maybe a Guarantee for the new KWS?
Ah yes - the 'slippery slope' argument. The hallmark of rational online discussion(!)
Let's just focus on the KWS shall we? Since that's what I was talking about.
If the choice is to:
1. Delay the release of a major game update for a non game-breaking issue after it's already been submitted for certification by Sony/Xbox. Or,
2. Continue to release it and acknowledge that 1 small part of it isn't working quite as well as it could for a short period until an update hits a few weeks later.
Then absolutely I would choose option (2) and tell people to 'get over it'!
Remember - Sandro has already confirmed that the KWS is going to be fixed. He has also confirmed the fix will be in a patch shortly after Horizons 3.0 is released. In the meantime, in it's unpatched state, the KWS simply gives a reduced payout to what it did pre-3.0.
It's not exactly terminal, is it?
And it's not as though the game doesn't offer dozens of alternative activities for you to engage in while you wait for the KWS to be fixed.
So yea - broaden your horizons. Do something else while you wait for the KWS to be fixed. Or just live with the reduced payouts for a few weeks.
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Good news, but did they say anything about improving our ability to track down pirates in the first place, after all the KWS is of little use if you can't locate your target in the first place... !
I remember being told that when there were so many bugs post 2.2 the game wasn't even playable for a month.
I remember being told that when the devs trashed my favourite ships cockpit to the point it caused physical headaches due to the insane levels of brightness
You know what?
People who think they can tell others what they should and shouldn't do are part of what makes this forum so off putting even to an experienced player like myself. It's full of people with sticks so far up their backsides they yawn and you can see the leaves growing on it!
The devs broke it, the devs ignored feedback till it was too late to fix it in time. This is not the first time the devs have done this, this is a pattern of bad development and management practices.
You whitewash it if you want to, but those of us who want to keep calling it out are perfectly entitled too! Don't like it? Don't participate in threads discussing it! There are plenty of other threads to participate in on the forums or heck even other websites for you to enjoy talking down at people.... see what I did there?
at some unspecified point in the future you may get tracking limpets...yup they have done the crime and punishment update without actually working out and delivering all the associated features, who'd have guessed eh?
If you prefer to wait until the game is 100% bug free before it's released, then you'll be waiting for a long time.
I prefer to live with non game-breaking bugs and get on with playing the rest of the game.
No
I prefer for the devs to learn from past mistakes and stop repeating them!
I prefer for people to stop assuming it's a choice between "a game with loads of bugs" or no game. Thats a false choice.
Heck the KWS crapfest isn't even a bug. IT WAS A DEV STUFF UP. Pure and simple!
Oh and you know what I prefer? Talking to people who won't defend the indefensible with rubbish like "better a broke patch than no patch"
Sorry but thats tripe!
Thank goodness the only saving grace of this forum is it comes with a handy feature to ignore tripe...
When did they last break the KWS?
Nope. Just a choice between delaying the release of a major game update for 1 minor non game-breaking issue, or releasing it and patching in a fix a few weeks later.
Still, the choices remain the same.
You sound wound up. Maybe play some Elite and relax?
What is all this KWS crapfest. Why is it a creapfest. Jeez, its a computer game. It ain't life or death and in my opinion no reason to get so worked up.
As to indefensible, I see nothing that FDev have done that needs defending.
I think people really need to take a chill pill.
Max here's a thought; Take my personal position; About the only thing I like in ED is the Combat in the HazRez, I go there and chill and make my credits. I was so impressed by the graphics, I built my own water cooled rig to have the best graphics imaginable. I then upgraded to VR, Rift. All I do, in the main, is goto the HazRez and kill stuff. When needed (like today, buy a new ship) I then go and farm the mats to engineer it.
Now, to me, and this is a personal thing I accept; Anything that reduces/nerfs/whatever you want to call it, my credits in the HazRez, basically means I have nothing to do. That's my problem I agree. My choice plain and simple. And, even more, I would accept the changes to the KWS, if, they were necessary. It has worked and worked well.
Anyways, I'm having fun in the Chief, for now. A see a few hicups, but nothing to be screaming about.
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Surely getting a few less credit for a small amount of time until the new KWS mechanics come out is not going to kill your fun. Sorry, but I find that tough to believe in. You can still go to a Haz res and make credits and probably lots of them and have fun doing it.
That's totally dependant and the loss? To be fair, it also comes after everything else being nerfed. The fun is being drained out of the game (for me I accept). And I'm a Grumpy Old Man
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I think that it's great that Sandro is finally taking a look at the KWS, as it does need attention.... BUT... he's completely missing something far more important.
The KWS is absolutely pointless to the bounty hunting community because we can never locate our targets to begin with...
What we desperatly need is a a system for locating criminals in the first place.
My suggestion is for a bounty hunting guild that can be joined (you would obviously have to earn the ability to join) and by being a member of the guild we get access to the special engineer that will perform an upgrade to the KWS which gives access to the criminal database which would give us information on pinned targets, things such as last known criminal act, or station last docked at.... Last seen in such and such system.... etc... It should give us clues, a trail of breadcrumbs to follow, rather than simply displaying their location on the map.
this would allow us bounty hunters to at least have some chance of actually catching a few bad guys and picking up the bounty's without having to resort to the current very clumsy method of sending out a friend request and chasing the marker on the map.
And before anyone starts going on about instancing..... the KWS UPGRADE (only available to bounty hunters), would basically force any pinned criminal targets (if they have outstanding bounties) into your instance (even if they are hiding in solo)...
Thats my idea anyway, I just hope Sandro picks up on it because bounty hunting seriously needs some attention as it is the worst implemented role in the game IMO.
The KWS is absolutely pointless to the bounty hunting community because we can never locate our targets to begin with...
What we desperatly need is a a system for locating criminals in the first place.
My suggestion is for a bounty hunting guild that can be joined (you would obviously have to earn the ability to join) and by being a member of the guild we get access to the special engineer that will perform an upgrade to the KWS which gives access to the criminal database which would give us information on pinned targets, things such as last known criminal act, or station last docked at.... Last seen in such and such system.... etc... It should give us clues, a trail of breadcrumbs to follow, rather than simply displaying their location on the map.
this would allow us bounty hunters to at least have some chance of actually catching a few bad guys and picking up the bounty's without having to resort to the current very clumsy method of sending out a friend request and chasing the marker on the map.
And before anyone starts going on about instancing..... the KWS UPGRADE (only available to bounty hunters), would basically force any pinned criminal targets (if they have outstanding bounties) into your instance (even if they are hiding in solo)...
Thats my idea anyway, I just hope Sandro picks up on it because bounty hunting seriously needs some attention as it is the worst implemented role in the game IMO.
I think people who have been told ignore has been pressed on them should probably not bother trying to quote those people to start an argument...people might consider it flaming or baiting....though as you are defending the devs you'll probably get a pass....
Oh and nice work with the mental health slurs just because you disagree with someone. Really classy there eh?
You have literally been present on over 3 threads about this where the VAST MAJORITY of posts are talking about rep.
You are now either trolling or really are totally failing to understand the issues - either way given your history hardly surprising!
Anyway.... b
ack to my regularly scheduled ignoring...
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That's totally dependant and the loss? To be fair, it also comes after everything else being nerfed. The fun is being drained out of the game (for me I accept). And I'm a Grumpy Old Man
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What else is being nerfed? Do you mean the ridiculous amount of credits you got for passenger missions. Well about time. But I wouldn't call that a nerf, more like a fix. Anything else get "nerfed".
I am about as opposite to you as it goes. I am a happy old man. Or more like middle aged man.
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As I have no idea I am on your ignore list, why would I. As to mental health slurs, where are they? Or do you mean chill pill. It's called a figure of speech. It basically means relax. It has nothing to do with your mental health. But I am beginning to wonder at the moment.
Oh I understand the issues, I just don't see it as a crapfest. More of a minor issue that needs and will get fixed.
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