Flashbacks of being taught to kill...

Bob Lighthouse

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Bob Lighthouse
WR3ND said:
The premise is ridiculous. The blind leading the sighted through darkness. Doesn't seem like the most productive, engaging, nor enjoyable potential forward.
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Your OP's premise is ridiculous?
I kid!

Well, mostly...

The wolves are cooperating, and the prey is doesn't care who goes down to save themself.

Gankers, by definition, are cooperating.
When they say to "git gud" that is actually being helpful to the community and individual.


One can frame it other ways, of course.

But it bears inspection, who are the helpers, the ones cooperating, and the ones just throwing others under the bus.

Finally, if you have PTSD or similar, perhaps a shooting/killing associated game might not be the best choice, in the first place?
Please seek qualified medical advice on that matter.
This game explicitly allows and encourages such behavior.
If that constitutes an unhealthy environment for you, then you need to act in your own best interests.
It's unreasonable to expect to be accommodated by a game.

Best wishes.
 

Ouberos

Ouberos
What an unusual thread.

It's been my experience that Humans are unique in the world in that their base nature is both aggressive and benevolent. We are undoubtedly the root cause of our own troubles but likewise we also go above and beyond what would he expected in normal animal to animal cooperation.

What's more interesting to me is that this duality of behaviour can exist in the same Human at different times. This leads to the real question which is are we actually in control of our own behaviour or is it simply a result of cognitive mapping versus situational triggers?

Or if you want to reduce the argument to layman's terms, what is the nature of good and evil?

Let me know if you find out.
 

Shinji Ikari

Shinji Ikari
Stigbob said:
With no laws bad people would still be bad and good people would still be good, the majority would still not tip the balance either way.
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But now the bad people who used to look good will probably go shenanigans in a lawless world.

As for good people who look bad, those are a rarity.
 

MottiKhan

MottiKhan
Ralph Vargr said:
My PTSD came from the modern workplace, *not* from my military experience. :(
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The recurring dreams (nightmares, whatever) are military related, but not my PTSD. That comes from arguing with the wife. I secretly cower in the shadows when she's not looking.
 

Bob Lighthouse

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Bob Lighthouse
RagingxPenguin said:
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Just watch a few "Black Friday" videos from Walmart or Best buy.

Those strings of hope you had for humanity will be cured.
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I don't know.
Robustness and vigor still come to mind.

That is the "success" of an organism being expressed.

Furthermore, lifespans and QoL are rising across the world.
Even in the "gun-culture" of the USA, violent crime and murder rates have been falling for decades.
It's lower now than at any time in the past 40 years!
It's ~half what it was in the 90s.

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Also this:

[video=youtube;usdJgEwMinM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usdJgEwMinM[/video]
 

RagingxPenguin

R
It's easy to be content when things are good. But when things are bad people change. They always do.

There's a saying out there.

Hard times create strong men, (I think people but anyway)
Strong men create good times
Good times create weak men
Weak men create hard times.

The other shoe can always drop.

I believe in the greater good for all.

We can all suffer a little and have good times for all. (A little bit of charity and fairness so to speak, example being fair wages and not taking advantage of impoverished countries. Coffee and chocolate come to mind)

Or, alternatively. We can try to not suffer at all, while causing much greater suffering for those around us. (Greed)

Reality is. Humanity is suffering. Life isn't easy.

But, in a video game. I'm still gonna gank the docking computers and stop the rise of the machines! The Space cat demands it!

Anyway
This is much too serious of business before my afternoon tea.
 

rhiz

rhiz
Majic-12 said:
We're not violent.

Nature is violent.

And that's why it must be destroyed.
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You know that a thread is strange when some fool starts quoting Artaud:

“Because one must produce,
one must by all possible means of activity replace nature
wherever it can be replaced,
one must find a major field of action for human inertia,
the worker must have something to keep him busy,
new fields of activity must be created,
in which we shall see at last the reign of all the fake manufactured products,
of all the vile synthetic substitutes
in which beautiful real nature has no part,
and must give way finally and shamefully before all the victorious substitute products
in which the sperm of all artificial insemination factories
will make a miracle
in order to produce armies and battleships.
No more fruit, no more trees, no more vegetables, no more plants pharmaceutical or otherwise and consequently no more food,
but synthetic products to satiety,
amid the fumes...”

(TO HAVE DONE WITH THE JUDGEMENT OF GOD, Antonin Artaud)
 
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Clifra Jones

Clifra Jones
Aashenfox said:
Lol, ok. So with no laws, there would be less crime, eh?
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Crime does not arise out the desire to kill. That only occurs for the psychopath. There are myriad factors that crime and eventually killing comes from. Most of these are based on some form a desire. Wealth, power, self preservation, etc.
(I do not subscribe the the idea the poverty begets crime. There are many more law abiding poor people that poor criminals)

Conflicts, i.e. wars arise for similar reason, not because one nation is populates by base killers only motivated by the need to kill.

One only need look at the toll wars take on those required to fight them to see that humanity in and of itself are not natural killers of their own kind.
 

WR3ND

WR3ND
Cmdr Ultra said:
I nominate the OP as the first diplomat to the Thargoid home world.
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I'm down. I play the game as a survivalist and haven't lost a ship since 3301 and only 5 total. If there were reasonable options for such things, I'd be all over it. Get what I'm saying yet?
 
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WR3ND

WR3ND
Clifra Jones said:
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One only need look at the toll wars take on those required to fight them to see that humanity in and of itself are not natural killers of their own kind.
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Just so. A natural conflict of consistence. It takes a lot to be able to kill without remorse based on ideologies. It's much like a wound in and of itself, and many suffer from it.

And those of us with some empathy for our extenuating cultures, or in a sci-fi setting, other forms of life as some have mentioned, the struggle is real, contrived bull be damned. Suspension of disbelief has its own limitations.

I don't need games to tell me they're games. Does that really add anything of value to the experience?

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A side note: It's interesting to see people's perception of the differences between sociology and philosophy and where this discussion falls between the two for them.

Hint: One is a science, the other isn't. [hehe]
 
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rhiz

rhiz
WR3ND said:
Just so. A natural conflict of consistence. It takes a lot to be able to kill without remorse based on ideologies. It's much like a wound in and of itself, and many suffer from it.

And those of us with some empathy for our extenuating cultures, or in a sci-fi setting, other forms of life as some have mentioned, the struggle is real, contrived bull be damned. Suspension of disbelief has its own limitations.

I don't need games to tell me they're games. Does that really add anything of value to the experience?

...

A side note: It's interesting to see people's perception of the differences between sociology and philosophy and where this discussion falls between the two for them.

Hint: One is a science, the other isn't. [hehe]
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I’m not sure that the difference is as great as you’re suggesting. When it comes to social sciences at least, it is rare to find interpretations of data that do not involve any moral, political or epistemological prejudices whatsoever. Your statement that “We are not born killers, if we are human...”, is a purely ideological statement for example – not a scientific one. How often do we see studies openly highlighting the value of violence, in a way that does not at least imply a value judgement? Even much of the vocabulary itself is biased: psychopathology, sociopathy = pathology = a disease = an aberration to be cured. "Personality disorders", "Mental Illness" etc.

This is coming from someone who literally couldn’t hurt a fly. More than that, if I see a fly flailing on the surface of a pond I can’t walk away without exerting considerable effort to fish it out. I just can’t tolerate intellectual hypocrisy – and I see it everywhere.
 

WR3ND

WR3ND
I was generalizing. There are some exceptions of course. What is it that you're looking for and what do you expect to find? There have been a number of related studies for what they're worth and what value people place in them. People generally have to be motivated to kill others. It doesn't come naturally. What is or isn't natural is somewhat subjective, I suppose.

Either way, it isn't the typical state of being and interacting with others. Most would much rather avoid mortal conflict in general if given a viable opportunity.
 
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