I’ve only dropped into a Non-Human signal source once and didn’t deploy my hard-points, but they attacked immediately. I’ve never been interdicted by a Thargoid though, so I’m still a peacenik.
Is anyone still Xeno-Friendly? If so why?
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I’ve only dropped into a Non-Human signal source once and didn’t deploy my hard-points, but they attacked immediately. I’ve never been interdicted by a Thargoid though, so I’m still a peacenik.
First of all, the Sentinels are defensive. If you leave, they don’t pursue you (and they aren’t exactly all that deadly to begin with).
Secondly, looking at this from a game design perspective, have you even seen the Medusa? With the red spikes of death and everything? You don’t design an asset like that if it’s meant to be viewed as a “good guy”. That’s meant to look evil.
Why would we be worried by what is for all intents and purposes a 'Farming enclosure' yes what ever constructed it was technologically advanced but the reality of it staves off any advances in technology, no mining no resources and with the space of millions of worlds under one roof ...room for expansion, no need for advanced tech and a sure fire way to regress.
The Thargoids HAVE been communicating. They have been communicating with every attack. Every station, every innocent human killed on those stations, all the children and families on board those stations going about their daily lives who were killed, is a form of communication. A non verbal way of saying we don’t care about your lives. They abduct humans everyday to do god knows what with them. How can you still feel as if we’re in the wrong? They have killed thousands more humans than we have Thargoids. They aren’t cute or even remotely innocent. They have one thing in mind, to kill us. We have to take the fight to them. Hit them hard! Carry around Guardian Tech as a big FU to their stupid faces and when they scan you up close and realize what you are, you shoot them in the DUCKING face with big ASP MISSLES! BIG ASP ANTI XENO WEAPONRY! Kill them all! Show them we have not forgotten those people they so carelessly killed.
Nothing is as simple as it seems. My money is on the Thargoids not being a simple mindless alien attacker. There's a more complex story here we'll slowly uncover, and we're not entirely innocent.
Whether they've taken offense to us trashing and experimenting on their barnacles, or the Feds have attacked/done something awful to them that we don't yet know about, or our use of FSD is somehow trashing Witch Space in a way that affects them... none of this feels like a straightforward "Bad alien attack us, make them pay" situation.
With that said, I've not engaged against the Thargoids because they haven't yet threatened anything I care about. "Humanity" is a pretty large concept. When the Empire and its interests are at risk, I'll take action. Until then, I'll watch and wait.
Whether they've taken offense to us trashing and experimenting on their barnacles, or the Feds have attacked/done something awful to them that we don't yet know about, or our use of FSD is somehow trashing Witch Space in a way that affects them... none of this feels like a straightforward "Bad alien attack us, make them pay" situation.
With that said, I've not engaged against the Thargoids because they haven't yet threatened anything I care about. "Humanity" is a pretty large concept. When the Empire and its interests are at risk, I'll take action. Until then, I'll watch and wait.
The Empire is so factional that they can never present a coherent objective. The Emperor seems to want to be cautious but Patreus seems to be all gung ho!
The Federation and from what I can see the Alliance are stoking the fires of war!
No, what I take that as is the Alliance seeing a way to increase their power. They are using this "excuse" to bolster their military might and using it to curry favor with the mega corps building the war machines! (build them for and within the Alliance co the Alliance can make the credits)
This is, ultimately, what will happen, because it results in game play. The game lacks meaningful "game play" at large so this is the way they are adding it. What better way than introduce a hostile race that will be increasingly more of a problem? More pew pew for a reason, rather than pew pew because bored.
What? Don't look at me like that, I can't help looking at most things from a dev perspective...
Fine.
Thargoids are monsters that need eradicated, because, because, reasons!!!!
I don’t know… the ability to harness near 100% of the solar energy of any system that a race appropriates strikes me as quite a potent force. Perhaps I’m wrong? Why would it prohibit expansion or further advance?
Humans invade "their" space. Humans destroy "their" life forms (barnacles, we really don't know the relationship between barnacles and the thargoids), humans attack them at the first encounters, humans are developing weapons directed towards them by using their own technology (bio-tech, again what is the relationship between their bio-tech and them, we do not know. For all we know they see their bio-tech like we see out children)
Something that has been a truth throughout human history, "The humans kill what they do not understand!"
Oh, I never said they were mindless alien attackers. We have the encroaching faction planning on using us as a bullet shield from the other faction because they are losing. That indicates an intelligent strategy.
As for what drives them - they're a hive mind collective, so who knows. It may be as simple as seed new territory for resource extraction, move there and harvest, repeat. They may be hostile to all other species because "we're in the way."
Until we see some evidence of culture devoted to more than resource gathering/replication/fighting, I don't care how smart they are - they are an existential threat. Everything about them (so far) screams (organic based) berserkers. I think some race created them as weapons of war and they're continuing to do what they were created for - fight. If they do have some kind of culture - music, history, etc. - centered around their hives, clan that's great. Either way, they are so alien right now that there is no predicting what they're going to do. They're like a force of nature. We can either resist the approaching storm or flee.
I investigated them when they first became more interactive.
They opened fire in me first, despite me approaching slow and with hardpoints retracted.
So I retaliated, back then, our weapons did nothing, so it was just a slogging matching until I angered them too much and got missile'd to death. Lol
But I've only ever returned fire, and I've never killed one.
Mainly because I don't like the available weapon choices.
I'm crap with fixed, so until we get gimballed, and/or guided missiles, I'm out.
did you have their tech or barnacles in your hold? They may have seen you as a thief!
We know from the Guardian Codex, as well as the watch logs from the group after the last war, that the Thargoids seed an area with Barnacles and then show up later to harvest them. They don't care who was there first. When it's time to harvest the crop, they attack anyone nearby.
They're not planning on stopping at the Pleiades. They're (Osresians) are going to go right through human space, so the pursuing Klaxians will encounter us and slow down to blast us.
Yes, and thanks to the Guardian records, we know Thargoid history is "They kill anything they want, when they want, and no one knows why."
A refer you back to the beginning of my post, a few humans killing a Thargoid doesn’t represent the whole of humanity. Do you think scientists kill what they don’t understand? No they study it and this doesn’t require killing them or even harming them. Science is the only reason why humans have progressed as far as they have. So to say that we kill what we don’t understand is only true in a small amount of cases of unscientific humans. Like you say, we don’t understand a lot of Thargoid related things and the only way to understand them is to study and research them. If they are far more intelligent than we are then the onus is on them to figure out how communicate with us, which as far as were aware, hasn’t happened.
They already have weapons that can kill us or instantly disable our ships so do you think it is unreasonable that we want weapons to defend ourselves? Especially when their ships greatly outpower ours?
Also how do you know it’s “their” space? We haven’t found any colonies or occupied bases / space stations. Our territory is clearly marked with occupied bases and space stations. We haven’t killed thousands of Thargoid civilians yet they have on the attacks on our bases.
They are collecting occupied escape pods from human ships and if you try and collect them to stop them from doing it they get aggressive if they are nearby. If we were collecting Thargoid escape pods and getting aggressive when they tried to save their own people how do you think they would react?
It would be naive of us to sit back and do nothing whilst they travel further and further into human space. We have the right to defend ourselves just as you say they are doing.
All of the systems resources would have been used in the construction of the shell, mould a few hills and spread thinly with topsoil place a dozen or so entry gates into it and anything entering will likely stay near the entrance the captured sun will provide for all energy requirements for billions, hundred of billions of inhabitants... in fact the usable surface area 500 million Earths would allow 500 million people to have a whole planetsize plot for themselves... EACH, no expansion needed.
If it were Earth and an invasion party from another world were to 'invade'... they would probably not find a single inhabitant, they might well feel it empty and take over, then if another race were to enter by another gate they would probably feel the same with none of the parties ever meeting.
There would be no natural resources to be had so wood would be the most likely building material... you can see the rest!
Hi Skip – I don’t want to derail the thread too much with this discussion, but I think that you may be misunderstanding the concept of a Dyson Sphere and what it would mean. The Dyson Sphere wouldn’t be a kind of “greenhouse” or shell but a means of extracting the maximum energy from a star in the most efficient way possible (built around the star itself). Living organic beings wouldn’t populate the Dyson Sphere. I think that the assumption/suggestion is that this energy could then be used in any way that the builders saw fit, including converting it in order to sustain any inhabited planets. When you consider that the whole history of life on Earth and all of human development has been fueled by a tiny fraction of the energy output of the sun (most of which is lost to space), this would be an immense power. Quite apart from prohibiting development and expansion, it would be the ultimate springboard for it. If such a race had no qualms about conquering other systems and appropriating their energy, they could also be an extremely destructive force for any indigenous life. This is all highly speculative of course.
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Yes, still 'xeno-friendly'. Why ? Misanthropy, mostly. Also, they've done nothing to me *shrugs*
Whenever I drop into a non-human USS that's threat 3 or 4, the scouts attack me on sight before I can do anything. So I defend myself. They die.
Furthermore, half the time there is at least one other human ship in the instance getting beat on by the scouts. So I defend my fellow human.
Furthermore, half the time there is at least one other human ship in the instance getting beat on by the scouts. So I defend my fellow human.