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Y'all some thirsty...

Waaaay ahead of you...

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Verbal abuse in the comms like Dingo's pic is what real griefing is.
That is not griefing, that is straightforward and simple harassment.... I suggest you actually learn what griefing means.

Griefing does NOT involve comms, it is a form of harassment using just PvP. It is comparable in terms of real world harassment to that just involving stalking, invading someone's space, or unwanted touching.
 
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That is not griefing, that is straightforward and simple harassment.... I suggest you actually learn what griefing means.

Griefing does NOT involve comms, it is a form of harassment using just PvP. It is comparable in terms of real world harassment to harassment just involving stalking, invading someone's space, or unwanted touching.

I think we, as a community, need to take it to the courts. We need bright-line definitions for all of these terms, because it gets tiring when everyone just crams whatever meaning into them to best suit their personal argument.
 
That is not griefing, that is straightforward and simple harassment.... I suggest you actually learn what griefing means.

Griefing does NOT involve comms, it is a form of harassment using just PvP. It is comparable in terms of real world harassment to harassment just involving stalking, invading someone's space, or unwanted touching.

Are you really comparing griefing to real life stalking and possible sexual harrassment?
 
I think we, as a community, need to take it to the courts. We need bright-line definitions for all of these terms, because it gets tiring when everyone just crams whatever meaning into them to best suit their personal argument.

Personally, I draw the line at stuff like the picture Dingo shared; that's over the line. Other then that, you can't grief me either on comms or ingame. I welcome the byplay in either case. What the majority of this community considers "trolls" I welcome with open arms.
 

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Personally, I draw the line at stuff like the picture Dingo shared; that's over the line. Other then that, you can't grief me either on comms or ingame. I welcome the byplay in either case. What the majority of this community considers "trolls" I welcome with open arms.

I looked for it but coudn't find it. Share a link if you would care to be so kind?

I welcome the byplay...

... and lol
 
I looked for it but coudn't find it. Share a link if you would care to be so kind?



... and lol

Mods might have cleaned up the conversation. I'll have to check. I actually got the closest to being legitimately angry at some of my fellow forumites as its possible for me to get. And that takes some doing.

Edit: scroll back to #606 and pick up there
 
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Mods might have cleaned up the conversation. I'll have to check. I actually got the closest to being legitimately angry at some of my fellow forumites as its possible for me to get. And that takes some doing.

Edit: scroll back to #606 and pick up there

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Mind, I'm not trying to restart the negativity; it should be crystal clear that I'm 99% about lightening the mood around here:)

Not me. I want things to degenerate into a knock-down, drag-out, ears and noses being bitten off, eyeballs gouged out, open compound fractures kinda fight.

Just kiddin' :)
 
Are you really comparing griefing to real life stalking and possible sexual harrassment?
It seems to be the only way to get the message across to some that harassment does not just involve textual/verbal communication.

Just as stalking is harassment through just observing/spying/following, griefing is essentially harassment involving just PvP.
 

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It seems to be the only way to get the message across to some that harassment does not just involve textual/verbal communication.

Just as stalking is harassment through just observing/spying/following, griefing is essentially harassment involving just PvP.

What if as a pirate I stalk a given target until they are in a position where I can best take advantage of them? is that griefing?
 
What if as a pirate I stalk a given target until they are in a position where I can best take advantage of them? is that griefing?
I am not the one who has to judge what does or does not actually constitute either griefing or harassment - only the person complaining and the relevant enforcing body (in this case FD) can say whether any given case is either true griefing or harassment. There are no precise definitions as to what does or does not constitute griefing but I am 100% sure textual/verbal communication is not a requirement.

In loose terms though without any other contextual information, straight up piracy - as a single incident - like you describe would almost certainly not be considered griefing.
 
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How about threatening someone that they are now KoS in game for a player group, because they reported a bug on the forum?

(This happened recently)

This for me is absolutely harassment.
 
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What if as a pirate I stalk a given target until they are in a position where I can best take advantage of them? is that griefing?

Depends on the nature of the stalking, if you go through their bins then steal their underwear off the washing line you've gone too far.
 
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