Open play trolls

[lenna]

And by subjective, that means subjective to Frontier, not the player. In the end, our subjective definition means diddly squat. No one reads the Terms of Use, so I guess that is a large part of the issue.

Actually both are relevant - relevant to the player as it affects their decision to report incidents, relevant to FD as they have to assess the validity of the complaint.

As for the EULA/TOS - if anyone does not read it and gets legitimately accused then they only have themselves to blame. If anyone comes into the forums and complains without reading the EULA/TOS then they may forfeit their right to have their complaint judged fairly. If anyone has a legitimate complaint about how another player acts towards them by ANY means then they should use the in-game tools meant for reporting such incidents - not come into the forums and moan about it, that is only likely to garner ridicule and insults from certain quadrants of the community.

 

[Bob Lighthouse]

Wait.

Turret's Syndrome wasn't a pun?



That's a shame.

 

[AutoMechanical]

Section 7.3.6 of the EULA clearly states that any and all players who reference the EULA to make a point on the forums* have already declared their allegiance to Zarek Null, and are therefore KOS in all civilized parts of the galaxy.

Please enjoy your new status as a universally KOS minion to a struggling, but admirably adapting Overlord of the Known Universe.

*Dead people are clearly not bound by such trivial things as EULA's... being dead and all.

Take another look at the avatar...

How dare you talk down to our Overlord like that!

 

[Franc Kaos]

...the Nietzschean dichotomy of master morality versus slave morality.

In master morality, "good" is a master that is strong willed, values himself above all else, judges right and wrong for himself, and strives to self-actualize his will-to-power.

Slave morality is based on attempting to devalue the master's strength, and make it seem that the master's actions are immoral. The slaves' lack of power and envy causes them to retailiate by convincing others that the exercise of power itself is immoral, thereby providing a means of making everyone, including masters, back into "slaves". And this is done by advocating principles of humility, weakness, turn-the-other-cheek, etc..
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Given the type of galaxy we inhabit, with seemingly endless conflict, wars, draconian laws with violent punishments, and weapons everywhere, it very much seems that insisting upon slave morality as a prevailing philosophy is quite incongruent in such a setting.

What a complete load of codswallop

Or, seen from an alternative perspective, there are two types of humans: High functioning sociopaths and empaths, 10% of the former, 90% are empathic* (utter mad guess but it's now been theorised that Neanderthals and Cro Magnon did actually interbreed and I'm guessing sociopaths come from that union - a tribe of humans that would murder each other for personal gain would tend to die out fairly quickly, whereas being empathic to another human being and cooperating creates community - again, bones from Cro Magnon tribes showed they looked after crippled members long after their usefulness to the tribe was over**).
Unfortunately, sociopaths look to paths of powers - politics, military etc, seem to lack fear based reasoning for survival, have no empathic abilities at all, are the very best manipulators and literally feel they are the centre of the universe, solipsist to the nth degree.
It's not a master / servant dynamic, it's a predator / prey relationship.

* Numbers pulled out my shiny metal but
** Feel free to ignore my insane theory, it's possible they exist to ensure the stimulation of the human race into keeping existing - striving for more stops us from stagnating

:Ontopic: Meh, don't like the prats in open then play in Mobius or watch the awesome git gud vid!

[alien]

 

[sovapid]

Or, seen from an alternative perspective, there are two types of humans: High functioning sociopaths and empaths, 10% of the former, 90% are empathic* (utter mad guess but it's now been theorised that Neanderthals and Cro Magnon did actually interbreed and I'm guessing sociopaths come from that union - a tribe of humans that would murder each other for personal gain would tend to die out fairly quickly, whereas being empathic to another human being and cooperating creates community - again, bones from Cro Magnon tribes showed they looked after crippled members long after their usefulness to the tribe was over**).
Unfortunately, sociopaths look to paths of powers - politics, military etc, seem to lack fear based reasoning for survival, have no empathic abilities at all, are the very best manipulators and literally feel they are the centre of the universe, solipsist to the nth degree.
It's not a master / servant dynamic, it's a predator / prey relationship.

* Numbers pulled out my shiny metal but
** Feel free to ignore my insane theory, it's possible they exist to ensure the stimulation of the human race into keeping existing - striving for more stops us from stagnating

:Ontopic: Meh, don't like the prats in open then play in Mobius or watch the awesome git gud vid!

[alien]

Holy hell, Poe's Law in full effect with this one.

 

[Lee Archer]

Of course there was a reason. They wanted to shoot something.

Try another mode. Or learn to fight or run.

So much for crime and punishment...

 

[Lee Archer]

I mentioned to a friend of mine who lurks here that we hadn't had one of these threads for a while.

Welcome to open, OP. Either learn to fight back, or run. Sitting there caught in the headlights like a rabbit doesn't work in open.

Give me a break.
DCS is a combat sim, ils bos is a combat sim, ELite is so arcadey the ganking seems worse, like when kids run down prostitutes in Grand Theft Auto. Only here the prostitutes are actual,players.

I’ll see my self out.

 

[lenna]

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Errm... the EULA/TOS say no such thing and anyone that claims that are the ones who should be E-Bomb-on-sight.

There are no exceptions or exclusions where the EULA/TOS are concerned in terms of individual CMDRs being bound by the Code of Conduct.

Everyone is expected to have and use common sense, having no common sense is no defense.

 

[lenna]

Give me a break.
DCS is a combat sim, ils bos is a combat sim, ELite is so arcadey the ganking seems worse, like when kids run down prostitutes in Grand Theft Auto. Only here the prostitutes are actual,players.

I’ll see my self out.

GTA is worse than ED for two main reasons: (a) some mechanics force you to play Open; and (b) modders and cheaters are rife in it despite their attempts to control them.

At least with ED there are no penalties for not playing in Open.

 

[Lee Archer]

In many ways, the the philosophic conflict between aggressive pilots that exercise combat supremacy over weaker combatants follows the Nietzschean dichotomy of master morality versus slave morality.

In master morality, "good" is a master that is strong willed, values himself above all else, judges right and wrong for himself, and strives to self-actualize his will-to-power.

Slave morality is based on attempting to devalue the master's strength, and make it seem that the master's actions are immoral. The slaves' lack of power and envy causes them to retailiate by convincing others that the exercise of power itself is immoral, thereby providing a means of making everyone, including masters, back into "slaves". And this is done by advocating principles of humility, weakness, turn-the-other-cheek, etc..

Effective combatants are in many ways practioners of master morality. And those that fall to such "masters", with no other recourse, resort to endorsing slave morality (by trying to redefine the masters' successes as being immoral).

In simpler terms, PvPers exude strength, mastery, nobility. Their targets try to tear down those virtues in order to regain some meager sliver of power, at the expense of risking the eradication of true nobility altogether.

Given the type of galaxy we inhabit, with seemingly endless conflict, wars, draconian laws with violent punishments, and weapons everywhere, it very much seems that insisting upon slave morality as a prevailing philosophy is quite incongruent in such a setting.

In many ways, the the philosophic conflict between aggressive pilots that exercise combat supremacy over weaker combatants follows the Nietzschean dichotomy of master morality versus slave morality.

In master morality, "good" is a master that is strong willed, values himself above all else, judges right and wrong for himself, and strives to self-actualize his will-to-power.

This game is so arcadey you kind of sound like a megalomaniac trying to use the ‘Will to power’ to justify grand theft auto like game play, running down pedestrians. Jump into rise of flight, or Il2Bos, or DCS then post that nonsense in a real,flight sim forum, it will give peeps quite a chuckle.
Slave morality is based on attempting to devalue the master's strength, and make it seem that the master's actions are immoral. The slaves' lack of power and envy causes them to retailiate by convincing others that the exercise of power itself is immoral, thereby providing a means of making everyone, including masters, back into "slaves". And this is done by advocating principles of humility, weakness, turn-the-other-cheek, etc..

Effective combatants are in many ways practioners of master morality. And those that fall to such "masters", with no other recourse, resort to endorsing slave morality (by trying to redefine the masters' successes as being immoral).

In simpler terms, PvPers exude strength, mastery, nobility. Their targets try to tear down those virtues in order to regain some meager sliver of power, at the expense of risking the eradication of true nobility altogether.

Given the type of galaxy we inhabit, with seemingly endless conflict, wars, draconian laws with violent punishments, and weapons everywhere, it very much seems that insisting upon slave morality as a prevailing philosophy is quite incongruent in such a setting.

Using the ‘will to power’ to justify grand theft auto like game play- running down people on sidewalks ganking- is comical.
Play an actual flight sim, DCS, il2Bos, even rise of flight and post that nonsense on the forums. Wait, you’d never be able to grief anything but bread trucks there.

 

[Lee Archer]

GTA is worse than ED for two main reasons: (a) some mechanics force you to play Open; and (b) modders and cheaters are rife in it despite their attempts to control them.

At least with ED there are no penalties for not playing in Open.

There’s so little content, what’s there is so scripted and heavy handed, it’s a double shame that open was ruined for casual, meek but decent players. It’s the dream of foreign trolls to kill,this cooperative intelligenent thing called the internet.

 

[lenna]

There’s so little content, what’s there is so scripted and heavy handed

Depends on what you are looking for, I would agree that ED does not give you engrossing content on a silver platter but ED is not one of the fast-food generation of computer games really - it provides the environment and expects the player to use their initiative.

Where PvP is concerned, Bounty Hunting and Piracy are really the main activities in that area. The Piracy area perhaps does need better tools to support making demands of NPCs and other players - the NPC piracy seems spot on at the moment (bar the occasional glitch perhaps).

 

[Unshackled AI]

Using the ‘will to power’ to justify grand theft auto like game play- running down people on sidewalks ganking- is comical.
Play an actual flight sim, DCS, il2Bos, even rise of flight and post that nonsense on the forums. Wait, you’d never be able to grief anything but bread trucks there.

He's just messing around, let him. He's putting far more effort into it than many others. It's also really funny.

 

[Hellakitty]

Give me a break.
DCS is a combat sim, ils bos is a combat sim, ELite is so arcadey the ganking seems worse, like when kids run down prostitutes in Grand Theft Auto. Only here the prostitutes are actual,players.

I’ll see my self out.

I'm sorry what?

Where did I say that Elite is a combat sim?

You might want to retract your little rant, because I said absolutely nothing that you're claiming I did.

Later in this very same thread I actually do say that Elite is much more on the arcade shooter side than DCS/Il2, which can be classed as combat simulations.

So.

Want to reword it and try again, without the condescension and ishness?

 

[philngraves]

There’s so little content, what’s there is so scripted and heavy handed, it’s a double shame that open was ruined for casual, meek but decent players. It’s the dream of foreign trolls to kill,this cooperative intelligenent thing called the internet.

You, sir, are something special... like a stuffed koala bear riddled with mold.
But, but... other games have stuff...
Go play those games.

Oh, and out of curiosity, how many times do you see yourself out of conversations only to pop back up again and again? Not even criticizing, just really curious.

Do you like cheese-wiz and enjoy eating it without any shame what-so-ever?

 

[jasonbarron]

Wait.

Turret's Syndrome wasn't a pun?



That's a shame.

I am so going to rename my ship "Turrets Syndrome"

 

[sovapid]

Do you like cheese-wiz and enjoy eating it without any shame what-so-ever?

I can stay silent on this topic no longer. How do you monsters eat cheese steaks? If your cheese steak does not have cheese wiz on it you are an IRL psychopath.

 

[philngraves]

I can stay silent on this topic no longer. How do you monsters eat cheese steaks? If your cheese steak does not have cheese wiz on it you are an IRL psychopath.

I actually find cheese-wiz repulsive. Every instict tells me to run away from a can of it as it will only bring suffering and disaster... after which i promptly apply 2 tablespoons to a townhouse cracker and eat it as if I would never eat again.

*walks away in shame*

 

[StiTch]

I can stay silent on this topic no longer. How do you monsters eat cheese steaks? If your cheese steak does not have cheese wiz on it you are an IRL psychopath.

We don't have cheese gloop over here, but I do enjoy a good stilton and leek sauce with my steak.

I guess that makes me a half psychopath, which is good enough for me.

 

[Zarek Null]

Using the ‘will to power’ to justify grand theft auto like game play- running down people on sidewalks ganking- is comical.
Play an actual flight sim, DCS, il2Bos, even rise of flight and post that nonsense on the forums. Wait, you’d never be able to grief anything but bread trucks there.

Whenever these three conditions exist:
a) The presence of people
b) The availability of weapons able to coerce those people
c) The freedom to act

...the opportunity for conquest and elevating one's position exists. Those very conditions exist in our galaxy.

For those of meager spirit, their fear and lack of ambition condemn them to forever remain someone else's lackey, living life under the thumb of some heavy-handed faction, power or superpower, slavishly cowering beneath *their* laws. They sacrifice their very essence to others for no reason other than their own weakness of will.

But those of exceptional character, such as myself-- I exhibit the courage to rise above the status of common lackey and reject mediocrity. Instead, I choose greatness.

Understand that my Overlordship is not evil; it is ultimately about achieving peace. My ambition is to unify all humanity under one leader, and eradicate the perpetual conflict we see among superpowers, powers, and factions. Once I secure absolute authority, I promise to set all things right. But words are wearisome; this can best be conveyed in song:

[video=youtube;G1iDEWbWQi0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1iDEWbWQi0[/video]