That would actually be quite straightforward to implement.
Just make an additional option in the contacts menu when you select a starport under docking request that is called "Submit" and can be selected when wanted.
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That would actually be quite straightforward to implement.
Just make an additional option in the contacts menu when you select a starport under docking request that is called "Submit" and can be selected when wanted.
There's no problem to understand new C&P without visuals.
There's problem to accept you need to be more careful while a) flying around and blasting powerful weapons b) having retreat path for yourself in case you get involved in stuff.
There's tons of bugs but those I considering void from general discussion.
If you find it complex now, just wait until all the holes in it have been patched up with extra rules.
Nooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!
This is all stuff I can get behind.
Some of it is way harsher than what we currently have but it's all fairly logical and intuitive.
It still spooks me that I can be pledged to, say, an Imp' superpower, have the "Hostile" tag on my HUD when I fly into a Fed' system but then suffer absolutely no consequences as a result of it.
Seems like the same thing should apply even more-so to criminal behaviour.
If some faction is cheesed-off with me to the point that they're sending BHers after me, why should I be able to fly around their jurisdiction freely and land at their facilities?
Surely it'd be fairly straightforward to just link crime to faction-rep?
Commit crimes and you lose rep' with a faction, resulting in increasing levels of hostile behaviour.
To repair your rep' with that faction you'd have to find systems where they're present but not in control and run missions for them.
That would provide immediate consequences and require effort to resolve while remaining fairly logical and intuitive.
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Moreover, while I am a big proponent of increasing small infraction bounties from the 100-500 Cr range to say, 10,000 Cr each, the now age-old complaint about "I was killed for a measly 200 Cr bounty" has been and continues to be just an excuse.
A bounty is a bounty - and when you incur one you did something to incur it. I can't recall ever flying around space, minding my own business and incurring some random bounty out of nowhere. Every time I've ever received a bounty in this game it has been over some action that I took that warranted receiving a bounty. Players complaining about the dying over the value of small bounties are just looking for excuses as to why they didn't like dying in the first place.
A bounty is a bounty - and when you incur one you did something to incur it. I can't recall ever flying around space, minding my own business and incurring some random bounty out of nowhere. Every time I've ever received a bounty in this game it has been over some action that I took that warranted receiving a bounty. Players complaining about the dying over the value of small bounties are just looking for excuses as to why they didn't like dying in the first place.
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Oh yes!!!!
Look, soon we will have fines, bounties and Big Bad Bounties indicated by a skull symbol.
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/416981-Hot-Ships-and-Bounties
Wait, if we have "murder bounties", what is notoriety actually for agian? I',m already getting confused.
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^^this
"I got a bounty for firing bullets/lasers/flak/plasma/railguns - IT'S NOT FAIR!
""Oh yeah? Who pressed the trigger?"
It is not uncommon in Elite to have "no way out". For example, since the beginning we are able to get stuck with an empty fuel tank and no scoop or scoopable star because of bad equipment/route planning. Yes there are the Fuel Rats but they are nice guys and not an in-game mechanic (the limpets are). When you think longer you may find other examples where suicide is the only option. I think you put too much weight on this being a bad design decision. It is mostly a bad decision from the Player. You know Dangerous Galaxy and so on...
"I got a bounty for firing bullets/lasers/flak/plasma/railguns - IT'S NOT FAIR!
"Oh yeah? Who pressed the trigger?"
I keep reading this from people like you, Vindelanos and Eagleboy but I don't recall seeing anybody ever actually saying it.
What I do see is people criticising the nature of the penalties for the types of things you're talking about.
Yes, a bounty is a bounty, and if you have one, then you need to be ready to accept the consequences.
The problem being that with the current system, you get a bounty for trespassing just like a bounty for murder.
So there's a death warrant out now because i trespassed? It's stupid. Punishments should match the level of infraction, and to me, murder and trespassing aren't equal.
Right now C&P is more a nuisance than anything else.
Wait, if we have "murder bounties", what is notoriety actually for agian? I',m already getting confused.
Those bounties are on the ship. Notoriety follows you around no matter what ship you are in. So that while you can change ship, there will still be consequences to your actions.
As we already have the Fuel Rats, could we not have the 'Grim Reapers' to dispatch all those who have been marooned?
I'm sure SDC would oblige.As we already have the Fuel Rats, could we not have the 'Grim Reapers' to dispatch all those who have been marooned?
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/416981-Hot-Ships-and-Bounties
Wait, if we have "murder bounties", what is notoriety actually for agian? I',m already getting confused.
We don't, Sandro was talking about potential changes as per the first sentence in that quote. Keep in mind the focused feedback forums are meant for the devs to throw ideas around and receive (focused) feedback in return, you can't take as gospel what is discussed there as it's in flux by design.
The current thread explaining the C&P is here.
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Well there are things called Cytoscramblers but they're presently limited in size and effective range.
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On Point.
I enjoy OA's videos and look forward to them, with interest. I find them to be well reasoned and informative, with own opions given as such. Well done sir keep them comming.
With regards to the new C&P - I have suffered having to jump to another system to find an IF due to small bounty incurred in a HAZ RES, and was at one point locked out from paying a reckless flying fine locally because of contacts being offline in a damaged station. On the whole I like the new system.
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Great video as usual Ant, I salute you Commander! o7
^^this
"I got a bounty for firing bullets/lasers/flak/plasma/railguns - IT'S NOT FAIR!
"Oh yeah? Who pressed the trigger?"
The value being 200 or 10,000 is irrelevant to the reason most people complain.
I love how this thread is full of people who state they have never had a problem with C&P and conclude that no problem exists.
But that's subjective evaluation really - your opinion is valuable as ours. We just mere point out that such opinion exists. Maybe too passionately and I am trying to walk away from too heated debates.
I have to say FD is at fault here. Dissemination of game rules to the players is lousy. FD needs to communicate clearly the C&P system, and update the document every time it gets a tweak, 'cause the patch notes are not an acceptable way to communicate this, and the 600K pieces of info over 20K posts in a forum doesn't work either.
There are employees dedicated to marketing, social media, whatever, and not one official A-Z document for this new rule set.
It's nuts.
There are employees dedicated to marketing, social media, whatever, and not one official A-Z document for this new rule set.
It's nuts.