Obsidian Ant NEW VIDEO - Crime and Punishment is Flawed

Never saw the Isle Of Wight. Our great-circle tracks brought us in over Scotland, or the North Sea.

Someday, I'll get back there.

On topic: Lightspeed read the log. Y'all should too. That means this could happen to *anyone*, regardless of skill level or situational awareness.

This calls for a re-think of the "punishment" part of crime.

It certainly looks that way from the log :eek:
 
You killed ScrumpyWizard6 with your speeding behavior.

Murderer he was only a child who loved Cider and was a Wizard.

I will avenge you ScrumpyWizard6.
 
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The log clearly says PvP kill on the line previous.

I'm pretty sure ScrumpyWizard is a player.

The log doesn't put CMDR in front of player names.

Not sure where you got that bit of disinformation.

That's interesting because EDDiscovery, in translating it, does ! (I only use EDD, not the log)
 
How do you solve the issue of it needing to be a bounty to give the defences the ability to (legally) fire at you?

Otherwise it would be "hey, get away from our top secret information or we'll ... we'll ... we'll fine you again! See how you like having a 1000 Credit fine!".

Well....what you'd do would be to set up a legal kill zone akin to a high security area and a no trespassing zone around that.

You get warned...then you get fined for trespassing, with the possibility of intercept by security, and then you get tagged as shoot on site, which lasts as long as you are in the red zone plus a little while longer. Escape being killed and the kill tag degrades into a fine.
 
They really need to make everything a fine, except for murder or aggravated assault (meaning significant damage done, not stray fire).
This way all these piddly offenses can be paid off locally.
Bounties for things like trespassing is just silly.

A very simple solution. I agree... There should be no such thing as a 200 Cr bounty... Bounties should start at X000 Credits.
 
Here’s what happened to me:
I was working a compromised navigation beacon and scanned a ship. He was a WANTED NPC so I targeted him and fired. Before my first volley hit and we were “technically” engaged in combat he had apparently dropped a heat sink just before I found him and was no longer targeted when my volley hit.

Oh I hit him alright, except now I was the bad guy because His heat sink cleared out my scan as if he was a “brand new” NPC. Then I got hit for assault. Luckily it was just some MC fire and did not instantly kill him otherwise I would have been hit for murder...even though it was the same wanted npc.

To FDEV:
If you need a flow chart to explain something, you’re doing it wrong.
If it’s not broke, don’t fix it.
Last, keep it simple.

I think that's a bug and should be reported because shooting a wanted vessel even if you haven't scanned it was explicitly stated to no longer be an offence.... If you target and shoot a vessel that is clean, though, it's time to find the nearest Interstellar factors and hope your Notoriety is still at 0.
 
They really need to make everything a fine, except for murder or aggravated assault (meaning significant damage done, not stray fire).
This way all these piddly offenses can be paid off locally.
Bounties for things like trespassing is just silly.

Best solution is sitting right here on the first page.

FDev could even go so far as to make everything a fine, and once your total sum of fines > $X, a bounty is issued. And of course Murder starts at $X+1.
 
Agree 100%. The new system has taken the annoyance of stray friendly fire and turned it into a ridiculous drudge.

The inability to pay off low level fines and bounties in the system is just pathetic. Having to find an interstellar factor to pay off a 200 credit fine is ridiculous.

Clearly, there should be a threshold - below a couple of K, you should be able to pay off the fines in system at the regular contact. Above the threshold - fine, now kick in the blocked services, having to go somewhere to pay them off..

Right now we have the situation where the sanction for murder is the same as that for parking in the wrong bay. come on.

... and the speed with which the police discover there's a minor bounty (200, 400 credits) is second only to the brutality of their immediate response.
Not the best of introductions to a game ... here's a ship and 1000 credits - gimmi back the credits.

My suggestions:

1 - if the player is n00b (1st tier ability - harmless) then, as with children, they get tried in a lesser court with reduced penalties. So maybe the fine stays the same but that it is just that, a fine, not a bounty.
2 - if the bounty is under a threshhold (say ... 1000 credits, 5000?) the police should ignore you - let's face it, they are out there trying to take down some reprobate with a 250k bounty on his head, why would they ever stop firing?
 
Unable to react in 3 - 8 seconds? Do you drive a car? How are you still breathing?

Anyway, this is a great example why you should fly full time fa-off.

The ~15% (or whatever it is) extra thrust is helpful in making sudden corrections.

I've been flying since age four. :)

Average human reaction time is about 200 milliseconds.

In eight seconds, he could not have boosted away from the station and combat air patrols, and jumped.

Your forum "blame the victim" reaction time is slow. :)
 
Cutter passing mail slot while suddenly being hit by ship from below is not something that happens every day. That ship was not comming from straight ahead.

Cutter didn't had the time to react as small ship hitting him bumped him into slot and the rest is described in the log. You can do NOTHING to prevent the rest of happening at that point.

Only Cutter's fault is for not going under 100m/s but somewhere around 110m/s, and the rest of the story neither of you would avoid I am 99% sure.
If you go slow in Cutter while passing mail slot it is not easy to counter rotation if you use M/KB.
 
So you're saying the Cutter pilot had plenty of time to dodge the smaller ship.

I'm glad we agree on that point.

As for victim blaming, where did I blame ScrumyWizard6 for anything?

The Cutter pilot was recklessly endangering the lives of all those around him by entering the slot at excessive speed and heedless of smaller ships.

If station authority says it's time for your ship to explode, who are you to argue?

It almost sounds like you're in favor of giving a free pass to station gankers.

Say it ain't so Ralph. :cool:

No free ganking. No free anything, but misery.

I need more fish sandwiches. Bye.
 
I'm seeing people complain about having to make a 70LY trip to another system to pay a fine for clipping someone, but I'm confused, according to Shaftoe's diagram you can pay fines in-system? So can't you just dock in-system, pay the fine, and continue with your activities?

To the guy who mentioned having a copper turn up and demand that you pay the fine; I think that's a great idea. The copper needs to interdict you while sending the following message: STOP RIGHT THERE, CRIMINAL SCUM.
 
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