The Python is annoyingly good for its price. Its the answer for every question in the mid-game.
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I'd buff a Cobra.
Wait ........ isn't that the same effect as a nerf of the Python ? :O
A bounder well outranks a common cad any day of the week.
I changed the thread title to more accurately convey what I am trying to say.
Hopefully this will stop people from reacting to the title alone and actually read the OP like you are supposed to on a forum.
Hopefully this will stop people from reacting to the title alone and actually read the OP like you are supposed to on a forum.
Since "mid-game" is something that needs an "end-game" I would say your whole analysis is nothing that should be taken too serious, especially at this date
Welp
Honestly, the python is a nice ship, but the lack of jump range makes it ineffective for special purposes. For small/medium-pad-missions I found that the ASP is currently the best you can get. Trading with a python doesnt make any sense at all, massacre missions are obsolete since a couple of weeks and except a little pew pew the Python is nothing more than a good ship in the lineup.
I've long thought that we need a couple of decent competitors to the Python.
imho the T7 should have been made to fit on a medium pad, and arguably the Clipper as well (assuming it wasn't rank-locked) - these two ships would have given us something else to think about flying where we don't want to exclude ourselves from outposts.
As things currently stand, no other medium pad ships can compete with it in a multi-purpose or trading role. So it's not that the Python is too good, it's just that it has no competitors. Yet.
imho the T7 should have been made to fit on a medium pad, and arguably the Clipper as well (assuming it wasn't rank-locked) - these two ships would have given us something else to think about flying where we don't want to exclude ourselves from outposts.
As things currently stand, no other medium pad ships can compete with it in a multi-purpose or trading role. So it's not that the Python is too good, it's just that it has no competitors. Yet.
It's probably the only one that can do very profitable passenger runs from a small station.
I still only really use 2 ships, the asp for exploring and the python for everything else.
Did the, sidewinder,cobra,asp, python.
Tried the beluga liner but it couldn't land on smaller pads. In vr it was pretty big in the cockpit.
I might try the chieftain, looks like fun.
I still only really use 2 ships, the asp for exploring and the python for everything else.
Did the, sidewinder,cobra,asp, python.
Tried the beluga liner but it couldn't land on smaller pads. In vr it was pretty big in the cockpit.
I might try the chieftain, looks like fun.
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This. It's not that the Python's annoyingly good, it's that it doesn't have any competition.
Making the t7 and the Clipper medium pad compatible would be a good start. I guess they can't easily change the size of the ship models, but maybe it's possible to change the size of a medium pad....?
OR they could just add some new ships!!
... hmmm getting a strange sense of deja vu here...
I wasn't even aware there is a 'mid-game' in ED.
I use all kinds of ships for all kinds of things.
I use the Python if I want to do some ranking and/or missions without docking restrictions, but it is not my go to combat ship at all.
I have had combat fun in the Python, but I think the FDL is the true medium combat ship of choice in that price range.
I consider the mid-game to be the point where a player has more than enough money for any of the lower tier ships (30 million or less) but not enough for any of the Big 3 (200 million+)
so, riddle me this....
I have a Cutter, had a Corvette, Annie, FAS, FGS and Clipper in the past. Tried the Chief, I had an FdL for years (my favourite ship). So why do I spend most of my time in a Python? Maybe I should try a T10.....
I have a Cutter, had a Corvette, Annie, FAS, FGS and Clipper in the past. Tried the Chief, I had an FdL for years (my favourite ship). So why do I spend most of my time in a Python? Maybe I should try a T10.....
I agree with the thoughts on the T7 and Clipper - also feel that the Keelback isn't quite meeting it's potential.
Not sure on the whole mid \end game thing - in elite you have a period of not having enough money\materials to do what you want and then those things become trivial to a great extent and it becomes do what you want.
Currently I have an IEagle, Python and a Fed corvette. Of those the Python and IEagle are my go to ships and the ones that I put time into engineering etc - the Corvette is really only engineered up the wazoo because it inherited all the stuff from the Anaconda and it was pretty easy to do. As long as it doesn't cost me to have it I will, if there was anything else that interested me it would go in a heartbeat.
Looking forward to the Krait.
Not sure on the whole mid \end game thing - in elite you have a period of not having enough money\materials to do what you want and then those things become trivial to a great extent and it becomes do what you want.
Currently I have an IEagle, Python and a Fed corvette. Of those the Python and IEagle are my go to ships and the ones that I put time into engineering etc - the Corvette is really only engineered up the wazoo because it inherited all the stuff from the Anaconda and it was pretty easy to do. As long as it doesn't cost me to have it I will, if there was anything else that interested me it would go in a heartbeat.
Looking forward to the Krait.
If it's pvp all ships need engineering or your fodder - pve anything will work. Python, Cobra 3, Viper, IEagle seem to me at least to get the "most" out of engineering - it really, really makes them shine - possibly Clipper as well, but I've never (and probably never will) own one to try.
Definately agree with this!
Counterpoint- Salvage.
The Python does not make a good salvage ship as far as space salvage is concerned. If you've tried scooping with the Python it's unique in that the cargo bay is BEHIND the cockpit meaning it's the ultimate trick to actually scoop anything with a Python.
Yes the Python is god of the Gunship class vessels. Hence it's extremely high price. It is the most expensive ship in the Medium landing pad class.
For those who work on the fringe systems where there's very few stations and many more outposts, the Python is about where the cutoff is. If you're more working in the core of the Bubble then you're going to want a bigger ship to haul bigger loads.
As noted by it's name. The Python is a DeLacy model and is considered an Anaconda-lite. And considering how many others talk about how OP the Anaconda is, it only makes sense it's little brother is the god tier of the class below it. They should probably just nerf DeLacy then their products.
Though I question your use of 'mid-game' since there is no such thing. One can easily skip the Gunship class and go straight from Fighter to Frigate if they so wanted. Yes the Python is good at everything but in truth, trying to make it so means it will suffer compared to other ships. I had a general purpose Python when I was running a trade CG. The T7 was able to haul much more cargo then I was because I had other modules attached to make me a more versatile ship.
That's the python's strong suit. It's a highly module ship. If you make it so it's a dedicated anything, sure it will match or exceed said dedicated ships. But if you try to do everything at the same time like I do, then it's going to be weakened in that area.
I was nether able to haul as much Cargo as the T7 nor was I as nimble and combat capable as the Viper I was winged up with. However since I was outfitted for both, I was able to be heavy support guarding the T7 bodyguard style by taking the hits while the Viper went killing while making up for the Viper's shortfall in amount of cargo it could carry. I was good at both but excelled at nether.
Sure your claims are valid but it seems to me that you outfitted your Python and changed up it's role before you attempted each job. Of course it's going to be superior.
Try outfitting your Python to do everything at the same time and see how god tier it is then.
The Python does not make a good salvage ship as far as space salvage is concerned. If you've tried scooping with the Python it's unique in that the cargo bay is BEHIND the cockpit meaning it's the ultimate trick to actually scoop anything with a Python.
Yes the Python is god of the Gunship class vessels. Hence it's extremely high price. It is the most expensive ship in the Medium landing pad class.
For those who work on the fringe systems where there's very few stations and many more outposts, the Python is about where the cutoff is. If you're more working in the core of the Bubble then you're going to want a bigger ship to haul bigger loads.
As noted by it's name. The Python is a DeLacy model and is considered an Anaconda-lite. And considering how many others talk about how OP the Anaconda is, it only makes sense it's little brother is the god tier of the class below it. They should probably just nerf DeLacy then their products.
Though I question your use of 'mid-game' since there is no such thing. One can easily skip the Gunship class and go straight from Fighter to Frigate if they so wanted. Yes the Python is good at everything but in truth, trying to make it so means it will suffer compared to other ships. I had a general purpose Python when I was running a trade CG. The T7 was able to haul much more cargo then I was because I had other modules attached to make me a more versatile ship.
That's the python's strong suit. It's a highly module ship. If you make it so it's a dedicated anything, sure it will match or exceed said dedicated ships. But if you try to do everything at the same time like I do, then it's going to be weakened in that area.
I was nether able to haul as much Cargo as the T7 nor was I as nimble and combat capable as the Viper I was winged up with. However since I was outfitted for both, I was able to be heavy support guarding the T7 bodyguard style by taking the hits while the Viper went killing while making up for the Viper's shortfall in amount of cargo it could carry. I was good at both but excelled at nether.
Sure your claims are valid but it seems to me that you outfitted your Python and changed up it's role before you attempted each job. Of course it's going to be superior.
Try outfitting your Python to do everything at the same time and see how god tier it is then.
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