Modes Elite: Dangerous from fresh player's perspective

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

That doesnt change the fact that you can not remove the BGS from any mode. As soon as you do that the game stops changing stops moving forward. Regardless if its a casual player or a PvE faction grinding their way through the game.

If you want to suggest seperate BGSs you must accept that it will require more overhead and cost to Frontier. And once you start splitting where do you stop. Would PS need its own sets (its not fair to let pc and xbox influence their world) so at a minimum of three complete sets of BGSs.

Not speaking out of turn at all here.

I have done PP and it wasnt for the modules (the purple hair princess ) it was for her stand against slavery in the empire. It was how I thought my in character persona would have pledged. So once again not everybody has the same issues you do.

Im not asking to. Only where player factions are involved. Effecting NPC's and Players again are two different things.

If you attack our systems in any way. We should be able to defend them with PVP.

 

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

How many players do think would follow, more or less than are in open right now?

Serious question. If Open is a fragment of the total player base, how many would drop the game? Still a serious question

If you had fewer players would you still be happy with the separate server system? What would be an acceptable loss of population for you to keep playing?

Would you accept having to start over with a fresh server or would you expect to start where you left off?

Since it would be a risk to Frontier would you be willing to pay in advance for your yearly subscription?

If you are serious, these questions would have to be put forth to Frontier so they could make the decision if the extra work/ risk would be acceptable.

It is certainly something that is in the realm of possibility if not probabilty, but the answers are important in determining if it was worthwhile to make that kind of change.

If people want to protect their systems. They will do it.

People pay for subscription in WOW, People pay for Subscriptions in free games like this all the time.

Wouldnt be any different here.

All you have to do is look at what works elsewhere.

Sure some people wont like it. There will be some uprising.

But look at EVE when that started. Look at it now still going. Even with a free to play base model.

Look at something like League, free to play base and I have over 600 bucks worth in skins because the game is good.

ELITE IS A GREAT GAME. Just has a few flaws for the multiplayer part of it. If people arent interested in that to begin with. Then no harm done right?

As far as BGS is concerned the only way to accomplish what you ask (as you are so fond of putting forth) is all or nothing. Short of a second server.

Perhaps what you really want is something that is not the BGS.

As long as player factions are connected to systems then BGS it is.

How about instead of a second server. How about new ones that accommodate those types of changes?

 

[Jockey79]

..... People pay for Subscriptions in free games like this all the time.

Wouldnt be any different here.

Yea, cannot argue that, Warframe is Free to Play and you can earn everything free in it..... I've spent a blooming fortune in it.
I've also spent in the Frontier Store. I have a lifetime Sub for Star Trek Online with free store credits each month and I've spent money there as well.

If done right, Free games are seldom free.

But look at EVE when that started. Look at it now still going. Even with a free to play base model.

EVE at launch was PvP everywhere and ganking was ignored.
EVE lost 20,000 regular players over the last couple of years, so now it has a really bad F2P model, but PvP / Griefing is a lot more restricted.

So doesn't really hold up.

Just has a few flaws for the multiplayer part of it.

Peer to Peer being one of them.

How about instead of a second server. How about new ones that accommodate those types of changes?

As long as Frontier are willing to keep what I paid for here, you can have all the new servers you want - I'm quite easy like that.

And the added bonus, if you guys got an open only PvP server / BGS etc.... of your own.
The Wall of Information would become obsolete.

 

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

Yea, cannot argue that, Warframe is Free to Play and you can earn everything free in it..... I've spent a blooming fortune in it.
I've also spent in the Frontier Store. I have a lifetime Sub for Star Trek Online with free store credits each month and I've spent money there as well.

If done right, Free games are seldom free.



EVE at launch was PvP everywhere and ganking was ignored.
EVE lost 20,000 regular players over the last couple of years, so now it has a really bad F2P model, but PvP / Griefing is a lot more restricted.

So doesn't really hold up.



Peer to Peer being one of them.



As long as Frontier are willing to keep what I paid for here, you can have all the new servers you want - I'm quite easy like that.

And the added bonus, if you guys got an open only PvP server / BGS etc.... of your own.
The Wall of Information would become obsolete.

Yes sir. Now ask yourself. What did Tencent do for league of legends? Its public information shouldnt be hard to find.

 

[Rhino Hammer]

Yes sir. Now ask yourself. What did Tencent do for league of legends? Its public information shouldnt be hard to find.

There is no player base to support what you’re trying to do. If there were, then they would do what you’re asking of their own free will...for free. As it stands, the majority of PP/BGS manipulators do so in modes that avoid direct PvP. By choice.

 

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

There is no player base to support what you’re trying to do. If there were, then they would do what you’re asking of their own free will...for free. As it stands, the majority of PP/BGS manipulators do so in modes that avoid direct PvP. By choice.

Yep by choice [video=youtube;cnYXTh4TCVo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnYXTh4TCVo[/video]

Not because they know they could be stopped or something like that right?

Please.

 

[Jockey79]

Yes sir. Now ask yourself. What did Tencent do for league of legends? Its public information shouldnt be hard to find.

Someone in https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.c...BN-rip-riot-is-now-100-percent-owned-by-china
Sums it up quite nicely;

Tencent has had a majority share for the past 6 years and basically owned it. This isn't really a difference.

Going from 70% which they had for a long time, to 100% didn't change a thing. Not that this matters in any shape for form here.
As I said before, they only have 8.8% here. And they have their money in lots of games companies. Which they tend to be hands off with, just silent partners making money for nothing.

 

[Rhino Hammer]

Yep by choice https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnYXTh4TCVo

Not because they know they could be stopped or something like that right?

Please.

Yup. Choice. 100% choice. I’m sorry you don’t like it. But if there are so many people clamoring for meaningful direct PvP then they would simply choose to do it. The fact is that most “people” will and do choose to engage in objective based gameplay in modes that avoid direct PvP. Because when given a choice, it’s what most “people” prefer.

The majority of PP/BGS manipulators care more for objective based gameplay than they do direct PvP engagements. Solo/PG provide no mechanical advantage to Open. What mechanical limitatation stops you from running optimal loadouts in Open? Nothing.

 

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

Someone in https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.c...BN-rip-riot-is-now-100-percent-owned-by-china
Sums it up quite nicely;



Going from 70% which they had for a long time, to 100% didn't change a thing. Not that this matters in any shape for form here.
As I said before, they only have 8.8% here. And they have their money in lots of games companies. Which they tend to be hands off with, just silent partners making money for nothing.

The %'s dont matter dont get hung up on that Jockey. Look at what they did to their hardware, servers and expansion into the asia market.

Keep looking mate. You'll find out what Tencent is really about.

Yup. Choice. 100% choice. I’m sorry you don’t like it. But if there are so many people clamoring for meaningful direct PvP then they would simply choose to do it. The fact is that most “people” will and do choose to engage in objective based gameplay in modes that avoid direct PvP. Because when given a choice, it’s what most “people” prefer.

The majority of PP/BGS manipulators care more for objective based gameplay than they do direct PvP engagements. Solo/PG provide no mechanical advantage to Open. What mechanical limitatation stops you from running optimal loadouts in Open? Nothing.

Double Shot screening shell premium ammo Will stop any progress anyone is trying to make. Like it or not its unbalanced. And engineers arent being used because of it. Maybe a FSD. But thats about it.

 

[Rhino Hammer]

The %'s dont matter dont get hung up on that Jockey. Look at what they did to their hardware, servers and expansion into the asia market.

Keep looking mate. You'll find out what Tencent is really about.



Double Shot screening shell premium ammo Will stop any progress anyone is trying to make. Like it or not its unbalanced. And engineers arent being used because of it. Maybe a FSD. But thats about it.

It’s not unbalanced. It’s an unwillingness to engage is gameplay to win the objective because it’s not a narrow scoped direct PvP method. Progress can and should be completed in any mode and has a viable counter.

 

[Jockey79]

The %'s dont matter dont get hung up on that Jockey. Look at what they did to their hardware, servers and expansion into the asia market.

Keep looking mate. You'll find out what Tencent is really about.

They are a conglomerate, they are about making money.
And the Asian market is made for MOBAs - so they got involved.

But you do understand they part or fully own lots of game studios which they have nothing to do with the running of the business.
They are just investors, looking to make money for the least effort.

Your looking to them as you looked at Sandro - like some sort of PvP saviour.
And again, you'll be disappointed. They are not daft, they know what games are PvP and what games are PvE.

And if you pay attention, their platform WeGame is heading for Steams comfy spot as a world wide distributor of games - PvP AND PvE.
https://www.polygon.com/2017/4/17/15326258/steam-competitor-tencent-games-platform-wegame-download

As per normal, you're barking up the wrong tree.

 

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

They are a conglomerate, they are about making money.
And the Asian market is made for MOBAs - so they got involved.

But you do understand they part or fully own lots of game studios which they have nothing to do with the running of the business.
They are just investors, looking to make money for the least effort.

Your looking to them as you looked at Sandro - like some sort of PvP saviour.
And again, you'll be disappointed. They are not daft, they know what games are PvP and what games are PvE.

And if you pay attention, their platform WeGame is heading for Steams comfy spot as a world wide distributor of games - PvP AND PvE.
https://www.polygon.com/2017/4/17/15326258/steam-competitor-tencent-games-platform-wegame-download

As per normal, you're barking up the wrong tree.

Whatever you say my dude. Time will tell wont it.

 

[Mouse]

I've seen less crap from the colostomy bag that unfortunately burst at the Veteran's Affair Hospital this morning than is shoveled by one person over and over and over in these forums.


Time will tell... and it has as we track Elite Dangerous's progress. You said you were leaving... guess that was just more shoveling.

 

[Jockey79]

So continuing on with the idea of a second server subscription based option.

Pitch the idea to Frontier, they are the ones who would have to make the final decision.

Be prepared to offer specifics as to why it would be of benefit to them.

You would most likely need to work with them to determine the actual number of players who would like the option.
You would need to clarify aspects of the change over
Would it be a restart from 0 or would you expect a direct clone (since not everyone would be moving that might cause issues).
Would the players be locked to that one server only, if they were not would it require a second copy of the game / second subscription.
Make a good faith attempt at determining how many players would leave if it went to subscription (I think most games go from sub to free not the other way around <shrug>)
I am sure there would be other questions they would want you to answer as well, but if its what you would like to see why dont you try and convince them?

If its a good idea I would expect them to listen, it might not change anything but I would expect them to listen.

Based on what you post here, there is nothing worth taking seriously. The way you say something is equally as important as what you say.

If I'm going to be completely honest, this idea has been passed to Frontier already.
They want us all on 1 BGS, with 1 story narrative that they control.

So, the man from Del Monte said;

No.

 

[Roybe]

<SNIP>
....in a direction I no longer enjoy, I will be moving on and wishing the game the best. Its an awesome game as it is. Could it be better sure but I can not think of any game that couldn't be better. But unlike you I refuse to force my play style on anyone else. Thats why I never start a PvP fight if one comes along I will do my best to die in as long a time as I can manage.

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Tried to rep you...can't...anyone got a free rep they can spread?|

If a game goes in a direction I do not like...I leave. And stop buying product for that game. I don't try to change it. I don't own the game...I just play it.

So continuing on with the idea of a second server subscription based option.

Pitch the idea to Frontier, they are the ones who would have to make the final decision.

Be prepared to offer specifics as to why it would be of benefit to them.

You would most likely need to work with them to determine the actual number of players who would like the option.
You would need to clarify aspects of the change over
Would it be a restart from 0 or would you expect a direct clone (since not everyone would be moving that might cause issues).
Would the players be locked to that one server only, if they were not would it require a second copy of the game / second subscription.
Make a good faith attempt at determining how many players would leave if it went to subscription (I think most games go from sub to free not the other way around <shrug>)
I am sure there would be other questions they would want you to answer as well, but if its what you would like to see why dont you try and convince them?

If its a good idea I would expect them to listen, it might not change anything but I would expect them to listen.

Based on what you post here, there is nothing worth taking seriously. The way you say something is equally as important as what you say.

It would also mean they would have to rewrite the game from scratch for these peoples new server(s).

 

[Roybe]

Yes sir. Now ask yourself. What did Tencent do for league of legends? Its public information shouldnt be hard to find.

The top owners of the company, outside of officers holdings = 34.3% of the total holding outside Frontier

SIGNIFICANT SHAREHOLDERS (>3%)

NAME	AMOUNT	%
Tencent	3,386,252	8.8
Lansdowne Partners Limited	3,263,089	8.5
Swedbank Robur	2,451,223	6.4
Jupiter Asset Management	1,480,944	3.9
Polar Capital	1,418,749	3.7
Hargrave Hale	1,181,900	3.1
Total	13,182,157	34.3

Braben holds 36.8, with family members holding another 1.4%

Tencent is going to do nothing to this company....except get bought out if they don't play nice.

Tencent business model is basically creating their 'Facebook' type service, in which they own the payment service (they provide their own merchant services)...and collecting the debit card interchange from sales, like a bank.

If Frontier is entering the Chinese market, then they can set the Chinese store to work through Tencent's service, and get paid...and the normal fees they pay to their merchant services would be paid to Tencent.

 

[Jockey79]

The top owners of the company, outside of officers holdings = 34.3% of the total holding outside Frontier

SIGNIFICANT SHAREHOLDERS (>3%)

NAME	AMOUNT	%
Tencent	3,386,252	8.8
Lansdowne Partners Limited	3,263,089	8.5
Swedbank Robur	2,451,223	6.4
Jupiter Asset Management	1,480,944	3.9
Polar Capital	1,418,749	3.7
Hargrave Hale	1,181,900	3.1
Total	13,182,157	34.3

Braben holds 36.8, with family members holding another 1.4%

Tencent is going to do nothing to this company....except get bought out if they don't play nice.

I linked all of this, he is so blinded by his hate for us and for the actual game he refuses to see it.
Just has tunnel vision for trying to destroy the game - if it wont be his way, then he don't want anyone to have it.

 

[Roybe]

Yea, cannot argue that, Warframe is Free to Play and you can earn everything free in it..... I've spent a blooming fortune in it.
I've also spent in the Frontier Store. I have a lifetime Sub for Star Trek Online with free store credits each month and I've spent money there as well.

If done right, Free games are seldom free.



EVE at launch was PvP everywhere and ganking was ignored.
EVE lost 20,000 regular players over the last couple of years, so now it has a really bad F2P model, but PvP / Griefing is a lot more restricted.

So doesn't really hold up.



Peer to Peer being one of them.



As long as Frontier are willing to keep what I paid for here, you can have all the new servers you want - I'm quite easy like that.

And the added bonus, if you guys got an open only PvP server / BGS etc.... of your own.
The Wall of Information would become obsolete.

And they could close Open.

 

[Roybe]

I linked all of this, he is so blinded by his hate for us and for the actual game he refuses to see it.
Just has tunnel vision for trying to destroy the game - if it wont be his way, then he don't want anyone to have it.

With 8.8% of holdings..and a non-executive board position being held by a Tencent CFO, there is a level of influence.

However, Tencent has never purchased a game company, and then shut down a game and rewrote the whole backend to change a MOBA into a FPS...so there is no way they would rewrite the whole of this game to turn it into a 'real' pvp game....actually, the opposite would be true.

They would continue on this path, with more increases to grind and indirect pve, with increasing levels of monetization of the game...depending on how painful this would be, would not only ostracize the PVP crowd even more...but would also decrease a number of PVE players as well.

 

[Mouse]

With 8.8% of holdings..and a non-executive board position being held by a Tencent CFO, there is a level of influence.

However, Tencent has never purchased a game company, and then shut down a game and rewrote the whole backend to change a MOBA into a FPS...so there is no way they would rewrite the whole of this game to turn it into a 'real' pvp game....actually, the opposite would be true.

They would continue on this path, with more increases to grind and indirect pve, with increasing levels of monetization of the game...depending on how painful this would be, would not only ostracize the PVP crowd even more...but would also decrease a number of PVE players as well.

Since you are not Jockey saying it, think he may finally believe someone?