Python or Alliance Chieftain?

[Fyren]

Isn't the Python utterly horrible to pilot? I remember trying one out and being absolutely horrified by its handling. I may have come from the Asp at the time, not sure.

Two words : Dirty and Drives.

Almost as nimble as an un-engineered A-rated Chief. More firepower.

Personally I'd rather have several cheaper ships that are super effective at their specific roles, than buy a Python and constantly refit it for the role I'm doing.

I'm the exact opposite. I hate flying to far reaches with my long-jumping explorer, than calling in a fighter for combat missions, then calling in a freighter for outpost hauling. Annoying, time-consuming, expensive.

If you go back to basics, this subject can be narrowed down to : generalist vs specialist.

I'm in the first group. I hate juggling ships around. I'm almost done engineering my Python and my AspX and Chieftain are collecting dust. If space stations were to charge for ship storage, I would sell them both.

 

[Fyren]

The Python gets awesome better with engineering.

Fixed it

 

[Sirius Agent]

Fer-de-lance

 

[Fyren]

Yes but this guy is wanting to make credits, I doubt he's getting into the engineering game at this point. And even if he is, he could still engineer other ships and end up in a better place.

For example, if you want to run cargo, the Asp Explorer is a very cheap ship compared to the Python, it has a lot less cargo but handles well and has an epic jump range. Or there's the Type 7.

If you want to do PvE bounties, there are much, much better ships than the Python, for less cash.

If you want to run missions... well, what missions, exactly? I'm sure there are better options.

That's the beauty of the Python! You can do it all.

Fit it with 2X64T and 2X32T cargo racks and do the 180T gold/palladium hauling missions. An A-rated Python literally pays for itself in very little time.

 

[Flimsey]

After vulture comes Clipper or FAS... The clipper is so fun to fight with but FAS is more efficent (and fun to).
FAS is the natural step after Vulture.

Made a quick build under 60m with at lest two rebuys.
If you do not have engineers use lasers on the small ones.
https://coriolis.edcd.io/outfit/fed...ADlfQeq9AAAA.EweloBhBGA2EAsICmBDA5gG2SMBOCWIA

 

[GG7]

The obvious best all round ship in the game is the Anaconda, its large landing pad requirement really is a moot point since 99% of the time there is no need to travel to outposts, and its easy enough to find systems where outpost missions don't clog the board. It's perfectly alright to fly the Python if you like it - I fly an SR DBS most of the time for PvP and PvE, but that doesn't necessarily make it the best possible choice.

The Boom Time Delivery Missions that are ONLY offered at Outposts, and ONLY doable with the Python are one of those "hidden" little perks of owning this ship that a lot of players are not even aware exist. ;o)

For a new player, or someone not rolling in $$, the 6-10 Million CR payouts per mission for these short, fast 5 minute A to B delivery missions to another local system can add up fast.(Issued by Allied Factions)

The Python pays for itself rather quickly if you focus on these "Python Only" missions that no other medium pad ship can accept due to cargo capacity limitations.

The Anaconda obviously isn't going to work here. ;o)

 

[Lux Veritas Occulta]

Python!

 

[Saool]

With the Caveat that I have not flown the Chieftain...

I would say horses for courses. The Chieftain is more combat focused, the python more jack of all trades. So it depends on what you want to do. If you are going to be fighting mostly, go with the Chief. If you want to be able to fight, but also run missions and trade, it's the Python hands down.

I have four Pythons. I have looked at the Chieftain but can see no reason to replace a Python with one. Also it's bridge section is fuggly. Same reason I don't touch the Diamondbacks.

 

[Backelaer]

The Boom Time Delivery Missions that are ONLY offered at Outposts, and ONLY doable with the Python are one of those "hidden" little perks of owning this ship that a lot of players are not even aware exist. ;o)

For a new player, or someone not rolling in $$, the 6-10 Million CR payouts per mission for these short, fast 5 minute A to B delivery missions to another local system can add up fast.(Issued by Allied Factions)

The Python pays for itself rather quickly if you focus on these "Python Only" missions that no other medium pad ship can accept due to cargo capacity limitations.

The Anaconda obviously isn't going to work here. ;o)

Boom time delivery missions only offered by outposts? I made millions just a few days ago doing those missions. From starports and planetary bases. In my Anaconda...

 

[Rob Galaxy]

The question is not 'P or C'... It's 'P and C'
Fighting fun and salvage materials works best in Chieftain...
[video=youtube_share;q6Wb6kUu8PQ]https://youtu.be/q6Wb6kUu8PQ[/video]

Python is great for passenger missions and hauling, I own two for this purpose.

 

[NoobyMcNoobFace]

When I had that cash level I was looking at an AspX. That said, my current A rated chieftain was about 55m - bought in Leesti, outfitted 6Andromedae. It's a great ship for combat even without armour upgrade. BUT. It doesn't do anything else. My Python meanwhile made me about 400m credits in around two weeks (Ngurii, then Sothis mining gold runs) and was still good in highres. That financed the chieftain and a corvette.

 

[GG7]

Boom time delivery missions only offered by outposts? I made millions just a few days ago doing those missions. From starports and planetary bases. In my Anaconda...

[rolleyes]

That is totally NOT what I said!

Go back and READ my previous post from start to finish instead of just skimming the first few words. You totally missed the point.

The missions I am referring to are only offered at Outposts. And 95% of the time, the destination is also an Outpost.

The versions you are doing in your Anaconda are the run of the mill versions that anyone can do. They do not pay anywhere close to the same amount of CR per run either.

 

[Backelaer]

[rolleyes]

That is totally NOT what I said!

Go back and READ my previous post from start to finish instead of just skimming the first few words. You totally missed the point.

The missions I am referring to are only offered at Outposts. And 95% of the time, the destination is also an Outpost.

Woah, ease off the passive-agressiveness throttle there buddy. The way I'm interpreting your post, you're saying boom time delivery missions only get offered by outposts.
I'm saying they can also be picked up at starports and planetary bases.

 

[GG7]

Woah, ease off the passive-agressiveness throttle there buddy. The way I'm interpreting your post, you're saying boom time delivery missions only get offered by outposts.
I'm saying they can also be picked up at starports and planetary bases.

DUH!

Guess the "Hidden Little Perks" comment just soared right over your head in your rush to make an issue out of a total non-issue.

Welcome to my ignore list. I don't have time for this kind of crap.

 

[thengneer]

I suggest you buy an Asp Explorer, kit it out for mid-range exploration (don't need a huge jump range) and then do "The Road To Riches (Improved)". IIRC it will net you around £300m in 20 hours. Then you can buy both a Python and a Chieftain and decently equip them.

https://www.reddit.com/r/EliteDangerous/comments/6foccy/road_to_riches_improved/

Best thing is it's in and around the bubble so you can do a few hours at a time interspersed with some more interesting stuff.

 

[Cmdr Tel]

With 60 million I think the Python would be disappointing at first untill you upgraded it especially coming from a Vulture.

The FAS, Chieftain or Courier may still be a bit out of range for your budget but are still mostly only one trick ponies although very capable in that field.

You wrote, "mostly interested in" , if you are interested in being more versatile (Python) then I might suggest the FDS.
It is within your budget with only the minimal Fed rank upgrade but could be seen as a smaller Python and is a formidable combat ship in its own rite.

It does have a different flight profile than the Vulture but it would be good to learn as it will serve you well in the larger ships.

It is a highly adaptable ship that is good "mid game" as you put it and is often overlooked and perhaps not the "vogue".
However what it is capable of doing, for instance, is a spot of mining in a Hazres and throwing some gold in the hold whilst waiting for pirates to spawn and collecting their bounties.
It's a good all around ship that is far from a slouch when it comes to combat.

Just something to consider.

 

[Fyren]

You wrote, "mostly interested in" , if you are interested in being more versatile (Python) then I might suggest the FDS.
It is within your budget with only the minimal Fed rank upgrade but could be seen as a smaller Python and is a formidable combat ship in its own rite.

It does have a different flight profile than the Vulture but it would be good to learn as it will serve you well in the larger ships.

It is a highly adaptable ship that is good "mid game" as you put it and is often overlooked and perhaps not the "vogue".
However what it is capable of doing, for instance, is a spot of mining in a Hazres and throwing some gold in the hold whilst waiting for pirates to spawn and collecting their bounties.
It's a good all around ship that is far from a slouch when it comes to combat.

Just something to consider.

I second.

I believe it's got the second biggest hold for medium pads after the Python. That's the ship I used for gold/palladium hauls from the Sothis Mining outpost when I was scrounging creds for my Python.

(However, I did ditch it as soon as I could afford an A-rated Python.)

 

[Xevious]

I am flying a Python for a while now, doing the boom time delivery missions, mostly to outposts. They indeed can cash up to over 10 million per run, this way doing about 25-50 million an hour, if you get enough good ones, getting me around 350-400 million a week, for a few weeks now. It's less boring then just trading and it goes very fast this way, and buying you anything you want fast. Also, your ranks for trading and the navy's are going up very fast this way.

There is one drawback however: you have to be ally with the local factions to get those very well paying missions. It can be time consuming to get there, but if you want to follow this pad, use the planetary scan missions to get to ally fast with the factions offering them! These also pay a few million and are a fun side track getting you some hard needed scan data for engineering as a bonus...

Oh, and don't forget when you go this way: don't get interdicted as long as your Python isn't at least a little engineered... But then again, with this kind of runs you pay double the insurance with each one of those ;-)

 

[GG7]

There is one drawback however: you have to be ally with the local factions to get those very well paying missions.

That is pretty much the case for any high paying missions anywhere in the game. The best approach is to find a sector that has a lot of systems close to each other. In cases like this, the mission giving factions will usually be the same, so your efforts to ally with the factions will benefit you across multiple systems.

 

[ArchAngelofDeath]

That’s why he needs to earn more money before he buy it.

He says he’s mid-game, but he doesn’t have a Python yet. That tells me that he is in a bit of a standstill. He needs a ship that can get him going in the game, and THAT has Python written all over it. If he buys the Chieftain now it will only take him longer. That’s the way I see it.

Just my 2 cents.

^This.

With only 60mil to spend he needs a credit earner. Since he cannot properly fit a chieftain with 60mil its harder to earn that bounty hunting.
In a python he can run most any type of mission and earn earn earn. Mid-game imo is about versatility in a ship to earn with.