Shadowbans and the BGS

[Doctor Zajo]

The way the rabid dogs come snarling and foaming ranting about how they need more turkeys for their turkey shoot, it's no wonder people who aren't masochists like to play in a different sandbox.

I get the impression they're more interested in shooting people than actually playing the BGS since they're so keen on opposing the background-manipulating scum who play in solo .

It's funny how someone can truly can take what someone says and completely misinterpret it.

I pointed out a perfectly logical argument that playing in Solo/Private eliminates (human) opposition and therefore should have it's own bgs.

Im not trying to take anything away from you. I just want you separate from open.

The only people going "rabid and snarling" are you people trying to protect your safe spaces.

But it's ok, I understand you lot are sensitive types.

 

[Schmack]

The Shadow Ban idea would be more effective if it was PERMANENT!

I still can't believe that all those accounts that were caught running BOTS were only Shadow Banned for 30 days!

Talk about a TOOTHLESS policy for dealing with well documented CHEATING!

News of this idiocy pretty much spelled the end of PowerPlay participation for hundreds of previously dedicated human players, including myself.

Now that BOTS are being allowed to run roughshot over the BGS with little more than a slap on the wrist from Frontier, and then allowed back into the main game in 30 days, the whole BGS aspect of the game has been reduced to little more than a running joke.

Those of us who know what is going on behind the scenes have washed our hands of BGS gameplay. Complete waste of time.

I might volunteer for a permanent shadow ban if it meant I didn't have to suffer through all the updates and grind resets, especially since I play mostly solo.

 

[Han_Zen]

Must be a separate server, because all Shadow bands play Apache.

Spoiler

[video=youtube_share;hdDUfFBPi24]https://youtu.be/hdDUfFBPi24[/video]

 

[Doctor Zajo]

I'm sure some would be, and others just want another way to attack/defend a system. It's a reasonable feature request, but the existing BGS & Power Play layers are too well established to be significantly changed.

Another layer that was specifically for PvP could be added though.

See this is an example of someone having an intelligent discussion. Some of you should take note.

 

[Schmack]

Personally, I think cheaters should just not be allowed to play period.

However, I do agree that solo/private groups should have their own separate bgs. And the "Canon" bgs should be open mode only.

It is illogical that someone can chooses to play alone or with specific groups of people can affect the mode of those that choose to play in open.

Tldr: Private/Solo should have one bgs and Open should have the "Canon" bgs.

What you're referring to would be known as "Single player" which doesn't exist but was supposed to.

 

[Jmanis]

People hide from opposition in solo and private modes.

Therefore, it is illogical they should be able to affect the BGS of people in open mode.

There isn't an argument here.

However, I will concede that you folks hiding out have nothing to worry about. FDEV won't take your safe spaces away.

It's fine since the BGS is not primarily designed to be a long-term strategic game between players. If you want that experience, it's what Powerplay is for.

I don't have time to retrieve the quotes, but FD themselves have said, paraphrasing, that "...the BGS primarily provides a living, breathing universe, rather than any gameplay element for players to hook onto", and went on to say that they were initially surprised by how affectionate some players became about factions.

Ability to contribute in solo/open/PG is, frankly, a small "issue" in a whole world of balance problems with the BGS.... except that they aren't problems because as mentioned, a balanced, strategic, long term gameplay mechanic is *not* why the BGS was made, it's just how players decided to use it. Powerplay is what FD introduced to provide that (noting I don't care much for whether it actually fills that role successfully or not in the context of this post).

 

[Asp Explorer]

I just want you separate from open.

Please, define open

People can be in Open on any platform, and for a whole multitude of reasons, will never ever see another player.

 

[Deleted member 110222]

Please, define open

People can be in Open on any platform, and for a whole multitude of reasons, will never ever see another player.

I would also like to remind the people in this thread that this game's "experience" has been sold to include non-premium members of the Xbox Live & PSN networks. Is Mr Zajo suggesting that these people have their product removed months/years after sale, because it doesn't suit his (unrealistic) ideals?

In any case, assuming Mr Zajo is on PC, how does he propose that he will shoot my ship on the Xbox platform?

I am very curious. Technically speaking, the entire Xbox community could turn against "his" BGS work, and he'd be powerless to "stop" it.

 

[Doctor Zajo]

I would also like to remind the people in this thread that this game's "experience" has been sold to include non-premium members of the Xbox Live & PSN networks. Is Mr Zajo suggesting that these people have their product removed months/years after sale, because it doesn't suit his (unrealistic) ideals?

In any case, assuming Mr Zajo is on PC, how does he propose that he will shoot my ship on the Xbox platform?

I am very curious. Technically speaking, the entire Xbox community could turn against "his" BGS work, and he'd be powerless to "stop" it.

Server merge. Open mode only.

Cross platform play is possible, though that is not exclusively on FD to make happen. Cross platform for more than just this game is the future of gaming.

Finally, you are making some baseless assumptions here. I never proposed taking anything away from anyone. I proposed separation.

To be clear though I do like you addressing me as Mr. Zajo.

Edit:. Remember guys and gals you don't have to worry, FD won't listen to me. Your safe spaces are protected.

 

[Asp Explorer]

Server merge. Open mode only.

The servers are already merged as far as the BGS is concerned

 

[Deleted member 110222]

Server merge. Open mode only.

Cross platform play is possible, though that is not exclusively on FD to make happen. Cross platform for more than just this game is the future of gaming.

Finally, you are making some baseless assumptions here. I never proposed taking anything away from anyone. I proposed separation.

To be clear though I do like you addressing me as Mr. Zajo.

Edit:. Remember guys and gals you don't have to worry, FD won't listen to me. Your safe spaces are protected.

You don't appear to be aware of how the console networks, work.

You don't pay for subscription, you can't do multiplayer.

Are you saying that Xbox/PS4 players should be required to pay a form of subscription to continue playing, while PC does not?

 

[Schlack]

great, how did a shadow-banning discussion become the open/solo debate?

 

[Deleted member 110222]

great, how did a shadow-banning discussion become the open/solo debate?

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/forumdisplay.php/30-Dangerous-Discussion

 

[Doctor Zajo]

You don't appear to be aware of how the console networks, work.

You don't pay for subscription, you can't do multiplayer.

Are you saying that Xbox/PS4 players should be required to pay a form of subscription to continue playing, while PC does not?

Im disappointed you stopped addressing me as mister.

Why do you keep trying to imply I am saying things I am not?

Any payment that is required to play games online for XBL or PSN does not equate to a subscription to ED. FDEV gets no money from that.

You are making yourself look silly now.

 

[Deleted member 110222]

Im disappointed you stopped addressing me as mister.

Why do you keep trying to imply I am saying things I am not?

Any payment that is required to play games online for XBL or PSN does not equate to a subscription to ED. FDEV gets no money from that.

You are making yourself look silly now.

Yet if people want to continue partaking in content, they would indeed be required to pay a subscription. I said nothing about who gets the money. But it's irrefutable fact that your desires would see console players being forced to pay a subscription, (which is not necessarily paid to Frontier), in order to enjoy the full range of activities that the game offers. Actually, non-premium members already miss out on PvP. Are you proposing we take more from them?

 

[Darty]

Edit:. Remember guys and gals you don't have to worry, FD won't listen to me. Your safe spaces are protected.

This whole "anyone who wants something different than me wants a safe space" is becoming the new "everyone who doesn't agree with my version of progress is a ."

It's little more than a buzzword non-sequitur designed to elicit an emotional reaction instead of an intellectual one.

 

[Riverside]

This whole "anyone who wants something different than me wants a safe space" is becoming the new "everyone who doesn't agree with my version of progress is a ."

It's little more than a buzzword non-sequitur designed to elicit an emotional reaction instead of an intellectual one.

Just strip out the hyperbole from any post & reply to what's left over. Sometimes there is nothing to reply to

 

[Doctor Zajo]

This whole "anyone who wants something different than me wants a safe space" is becoming the new "everyone who doesn't agree with my version of progress is a ."

It's little more than a buzzword non-sequitur designed to elicit an emotional reaction instead of an intellectual one.

You can try to minimize the term as much as you want. But it is what it is.

Private and solo are in fact safe spaces. If you or others become emotional over that terminology you should all ask yourselves why.

 

[Doctor Zajo]

Yet if people want to continue partaking in content, they would indeed be required to pay a subscription. I said nothing about who gets the money. But it's irrefutable fact that your desires would see console players being forced to pay a subscription, (which is not necessarily paid to Frontier), in order to enjoy the full range of activities that the game offers. Actually, non-premium members already miss out on PvP. Are you proposing we take more from them?

You are making no sense. I can not have a discussion with someone that makes no sense.

The assumptions you've made and the conclusions you've reached are the product of whatever weird interpretation of my posts in this thread.

So since I find your behavior erratic and your lack of sensibility bothersome, I am done with you.

 

[Asp Explorer]

Private and solo are in fact safe spaces. If you or others become emotional over that terminology you should all ask yourselves why.

I trust you will present your empirical data for this?

Private and Solo are in fact, game modes. They can be safer or less safe than Open. Open can be a catastrophically bad place to be. Private Group can be a catastrophically bad place to be. Solo can be even worse, as you won't have opportunity for help from anyone else.

Shadowbanned players may or may not see other shadowbanned players - maybe they'd help each other out or take turns finding new ways to get shadowbanned MOAR - they are a population I know very little about.