Modes These arguments are tedious.

[Mouse]

Ive read it all. Algo was trying to give buffs to the solo player. As long as PMF;s werent involved.

I even went out of the way to explain you could have People still effect the BGS just at a lower percentage rate than open players when player factions were inolved. This way no one got a part of the game removed from them.

Just like AA's thread he shut down. People didnt want to hear any of it. Because it doesnt solve the main issue.

And thats flipping player systems in solo and private. While people remove themselves from OPEN play just to do it. People do this knowing the risk is greater. While receiving the same rewards.

Rewards are equal. The risks are a completely different story.

And FDEV openly admits this.

Algo wasn't trying to offer a compromise, I explained that in detail, that you ignored that is on you. I even pointed out IF.. IF PVE in Solo and PGs affected the BGS at a lower rate and PVP was allowed to affect at the same rate, add in the flags and such.. that is a compromise... all you did in all of your arguments was pull from one side to the other and expecting everyone to believe it was fair and balanced when you made it extremely unbalanced... then you even admitted it... You don't want Open to give up anything.. you want Open to have everything while the other modes are screwed. SO please don't tell me you are trying to make things fair and balanced when you are doing the exact opposite.

 

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

Algo wasn't trying to offer a compromise, I explained that in detail, that you ignored that is on you. I even pointed out IF.. IF PVE in Solo and PGs affected the BGS at a lower rate and PVP was allowed to affect at the same rate, add in the flags and such.. that is a compromise... all you did in all of your arguments was pull from one side to the other and expecting everyone to believe it was fair and balanced when you made it extremely unbalanced... then you even admitted it... You don't want Open to give up anything.. you want Open to have everything while the other modes are screwed. SO please don't tell me you are trying to make things fair and balanced when you are doing the exact opposite.

The modes are already the flags though. Why give people ANOTHER way to opt out. When you are trying to solve this problem to begin with?

That makes no sense.

The intentions are clear here.

You just dont want to be shot at and stopped while you are attacking another player base.

There is no room for compromise here. IF thats what you're trying to accomplish.

It completely defeats the purpose of changing anything.

This is all about simple attack and defense against other player. Other game accomplish this by setting parameters and funneling people in the right direction for and understanding of what PVP is for.

This is what I am asking Frontier to do.

By doing so it removed the toxicity in the game. And people that want to shoot each other will have a place to do so over territory.

Otherwise we have this mess we have now. If nothing changes. Their own toxicity they created by not changing a key element of the game. Will only hurt themselves. And thats the way the game is designed. They can make the change. And I think this is the direction they are going with squadrons.

No one likes to see a community tear each other a part like that. So I think they will define it. And take a bit from both sides to make everyone happy. However, Balancing is still an issue. And there should be no reason AT ALL. People opt out of the greater risk. To reap the same reward. Thats not balanced at all. No matter how much you guys would like to argue against it.

 

[Mohrgan]

I would say that this threads title has been proven, these arguments are tedious.

The tedium comes from the repetition. No matter which side you come down on, it's always the same points.

I'm going to let this whole fruitless discussion go, until FD describe what mechanics will come and/or change with Q4 and Squadrons. There is no sense torturing myself over a few fanatics. I'll be watching, but I'll let this bit of the debate fester on it's own.

 

[Jockey79]

Again the whole wall is obsolete. Garbage. Especially if that company that helped league of legends fix their servers gets involved.

Considering how you cling to a single quote from Sandro, that he himself retracted.
The Wall of Information is way more relevant.

Roybe kept banging on about how great Jockey's Wall was in that recently locked thread. I just got about halfway through it myself and gave up. Completely agree, 90s. Ridiculous that's what passes for rigor around here.

Best thing for that famous wall of yours, Jockey, is to take a massive hammer to it and start over. Try crafting a piece more persuasive and coherent.

Anyway, back to the hammer! Maybe this guy will let you use his?

https://hyponik.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/berlin-wall.jpg

Perhaps you should try reading it without your prejudice.
Because from the start Frontier made it clear the mode system was there and all content would be available.

Love how you cannot debate the wall, so you're telling me to remove it.
That's funny.

You know what happened when that wall came down?

Both sides work together with each other.

Walls are never a good thing. It has to go.

People have tried to work with you, both you and Algo have both refused to compromise.

So The Wall of Information is strengthened every time you post things like;

My goal is to create the most toxic environment until it changes.

Because the game you want, isn't the game you bought.
That error sits on you.

 

[Mouse]

The modes are already the flags though. Why give people ANOTHER way to opt out. When you are trying to solve this problem to begin with?

That makes no sense.

The intentions are clear here.

You just dont want to be shot at and stopped while you are attacking another player base.

There is no room for compromise here. IF thats what you're trying to accomplish.

It completely defeats the purpose of changing anything.

Again you are making a completely assumption and capitalistic argument. Please tell me where ANYWHERE I have said I do not want to be shot at or stopped? I can save you the time... I've never said it nor has ANYONE else... YOU are the one claiming that those who PVE are like that. You, and Algo with his "compromise" are trying to paint PVErs as some sniveling cowards who want to play a game with no opposition or anything. That is utterly false and untrue. What PVErs don't want is to have someone else who is "bored" or for what ever reason decide that for their own fun to screw up other people's game.

And the modes are not flags though... you want people in open... flags are a way.

There IS room for compromise and the intentions are clear... PVErs and PVPers want PVP to mean something, except you Algo and others who want PVP to mean everything and PVE to mean nothing. That is why you keep trying to paint things the way you do.

 

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

Considering how you cling to a single quote from Sandro, that he himself retracted.
The Wall of Information is way more relevant.



Perhaps you should try reading it without your prejudice.
Because from the start Frontier made it clear the mode system was there and all content would be available.

Love how you cannot debate the wall, so you're telling me to remove it.
That's funny.



People have tried to work with you, both you and Algo have both refused to compromise.

So The Wall of Information is strengthened every time you post things like;



Because the game you want, isn't the game you bought.
That error sits on you.

Like I told you before use the rest of that sentence in context,

And if you get your way. My goal is to create the most toxic environment until it changes.

I will destroy everything in my path in open play...

Wait hang on, this already happens from people other than me.

Because thats all there is in this game.

You SHOULD NEVER have to ask the Developer of a game for simple attack and defend mechanics in a game where PVP is enabled. EVER.

Again you are making a completely assumption and capitalistic argument. Please tell me where ANYWHERE I have said I do not want to be shot at or stopped? I can save you the time... I've never said it nor has ANYONE else... YOU are the one claiming that those who PVE are like that. You, and Algo with his "compromise" are trying to paint PVErs as some sniveling cowards who want to play a game with no opposition or anything. That is utterly false and untrue. What PVErs don't want is to have someone else who is "bored" or for what ever reason decide that for their own fun to screw up other people's game.

And the modes are not flags though... you want people in open... flags are a way.

There IS room for compromise and the intentions are clear... PVErs and PVPers want PVP to mean something, except you Algo and others who want PVP to mean everything and PVE to mean nothing. That is why you keep trying to paint things the way you do.

No one has ever said that eh? [video=youtube;cnYXTh4TCVo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnYXTh4TCVo[/video]

 

[Jockey79]

I would say that this threads title has been proven, these arguments are tedious.

The tedium comes from the repetition. No matter which side you come down on, it's always the same points.

I'm going to let this whole fruitless discussion go, until FD describe what mechanics will come and/or change with Q4 and Squadrons. There is no sense torturing myself over a few fanatics. I'll be watching, but I'll let this bit of the debate fester on it's own.

Yup, it's tedious. But there is something new now that no one else has done.

They are asking me to remove The Wall of Information.

Gotta admit, it's taken me by surprise.

 

[Mouse]

Like I told you before use the rest of that sentence in context,

And if you get your way. My goal is to create the most toxic environment until it changes.

I will destroy everything in my path in open play...

Wait hang on, this already happens from people other than me.

Because thats all there is in this game.

You SHOULD NEVER have to ask the Developer of a game for simple attack and defend mechanics in a game where PVP is enabled. EVER.



No one has ever said that eh? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnYXTh4TCVo

A video of someone creating something to prove something is not evidence...

 

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

Considering how you cling to a single quote from Sandro, that he himself retracted.
The Wall of Information is way more relevant.



Perhaps you should try reading it without your prejudice.
Because from the start Frontier made it clear the mode system was there and all content would be available.

Love how you cannot debate the wall, so you're telling me to remove it.
That's funny.



People have tried to work with you, both you and Algo have both refused to compromise.

So The Wall of Information is strengthened every time you post things like;



Because the game you want, isn't the game you bought.
That error sits on you.

Hate to break it to you jockey. That wall is nothing but a hardware issue. And can easily be fixed.

 

[Jockey79]

Like I told you before use the rest of that sentence in context,

And if you get your way. My goal is to create the most toxic environment until it changes.

I will destroy everything in my path in open play...

Wait hang on, this already happens from people other than me.

Because thats all there is in this game.

You SHOULD NEVER have to ask the Developer of a game for simple attack and defend mechanics in a game where PVP is enabled. EVER.

Get my way? I got my way the day I bought the game, as I got the game I paid for.

As for your actions, people can just put you on block or swap to a PG - so your tantrum will only hurt you in the end.

There is more to this game, but you refuse to see it because you refuse to admit your mistake buying it.

 

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

A video of someone creating something to prove something is not evidence...

I mean the guy did it live. You can say its not evidence all youd like. You can try to discredit the MCRN screenshot too. Again, someone deleted the part where it said "cant wait to get them in front of my guns". Thats not they part they should have deleted. You should see the part below about how the BGS is skewed too. Because of Modes issues. And that came from the ACTIVE players in MCRN that use the BGS.

Not the guy that just bought the game to play with his friends, that has no clue what you can do with the BGS yet.

But try and discredit it all you'd like. I've already turned that in to frontier. They have seen it. Acknowledged it. And are aware of it.

It doesnt matter what you say if it hold weight or not.

Im just showing you people do INDEED do it. I can post a reddit thread about people using powerplay within the modes when they started losing. But because thats reddit. It was discounted too.

You guys use every excuse in the book to say its no happening. When it clearly is.

Get my way? I got my way the day I bought the game, as I got the game I paid for.

As for your actions, people can just put you on block or swap to a PG - so your tantrum will only hurt you in the end.

There is more to this game, but you refuse to see it because you refuse to admit your mistake buying it.

people can just put you on block or swap to a PG

you dont say? Thanks for pointing that out.

 

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

Yup, it's tedious. But there is something new now that no one else has done.

They are asking me to remove The Wall of Information.

Gotta admit, it's taken me by surprise.

We are saying your wall of information is full of the horse manure from the horses you breed to race. It doesnt hold up. Especially if I can log into the mode people are using to fight against me within the BGS.

 

[Jockey79]

Hate to break it to you jockey. That wall is nothing but a hardware issue. And can easily be fixed.

The Wall of Information is an educational tool, showing people what the design goals are and the plan for the game.
There is no "fix" for it as you cannot rewrite history and you cannot rewrite Frontiers plan.

 

[Rhino Hammer]

RIP, We tried to work with compromise. Its your side that wouldnt budge. You guys still want the advantage with the same reward with lesser risk. Thats the whole issue here. The wall is nothing but a server sided issue. And even then As shown in my video above. I was able to instance with the people working against me.

I just want the game I bought. Which doesn’t limit my gameplay. And offering bonus’s for Open is the same thing as limiting solo/pg. remember when they mused about doing that? The majority of players weren’t interested. Really excited for the added content in Q4. And the departure of at least one Commander.

 

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

The Wall of Information is an educational tool, showing people what the design goals are and the plan for the game.
There is no "fix" for it as you cannot rewrite history and you cannot rewrite Frontiers plan.

Whatever you say my dude. WoW updated their servers too. And were able to do things that were impossible before.

I just want the game I bought. Which doesn’t limit my gameplay. And offering bonus’s for Open is the same thing as limiting solo/pg. remember when they mused about doing that? The majority of players weren’t interested. Really excited for the added content in Q4. And the departure of at least one Commander.

Hope you find a game you like. We will miss you. You dont have to leave though. It can still be fun.

 

[Mouse]

I mean the guy did it live. You can say its not evidence all youd like. You can try to discredit the MCRN screenshot too. Again, someone deleted the part where it said "cant wait to get them in front of my guns". Thats not they part they should have deleted. You should see the part below about how the BGS is skewed too. Because of Modes issues. And that came from the ACTIVE players in MCRN that use the BGS.

Not the guy that just bought the game to play with his friends, that has no clue what you can do with the BGS yet.

But try and discredit it all you'd like. I've already turned that in to frontier. They have seen it. Acknowledged it. And are aware of it.

It doesnt matter what you say if it hold weight or not.

Im just showing you people do INDEED do it. I can post a reddit thread about people using powerplay within the modes when they started losing. But because thats reddit. It was discounted too.

You guys use every excuse in the book to say its no happening. When it clearly is.

MCRN didn't happen... 10 to 1 that was photoshop and if it wasn't then you posted it then deleted it or had it deleted because you were trolling to just take that picture as "evidence". See that is the problem now a days. You cannot just take something at face value because people like you love to manipulate things. SO when people go and try to verify what you claim happen and it shows it didn't happen (and strangely no replies to the supposed comments made) then you have to take it with a huge grain of salt.


Also when has Reddit ever been a trusted source of Anything? And what proof that this guy did this for the reasons you say he did and it wasn't done to discredit others. That is why stuff like this is not evidence... it has to be credible and things you post don't pass that muster. If you tried this with a paper in college (which you supposedly went to ) you would be laughed out of class.

Hope you find a game you like. We will miss you. You dont have to leave though. It can still be fun.

News flash.. he did find the game he likes.. and he bought it and he is playing it. Unlike the person who made this comment who bought a game and decided to try and change it*

 

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

MCRN didn't happen... 10 to 1 that was photoshop and if it wasn't then you posted it then deleted it or had it deleted because you were trolling to just take that picture as "evidence". See that is the problem now a days. You cannot just take something at face value because people like you love to manipulate things. SO when people go and try to verify what you claim happen and it shows it didn't happen (and strangely no replies to the supposed comments made) then you have to take it with a huge grain of salt.


Also when has Reddit ever been a trusted source of Anything? And what proof that this guy did this for the reasons you say he did and it wasn't done to discredit others. That is why stuff like this is not evidence... it has to be credible and things you post don't pass that muster. If you tried this with a paper in college (which you supposedly went to ) you would be laughed out of class.

LOL.

Man im telling ya. I can edit but not that well. You went straight to the source and seen what part was missing on your own. And it wasnt even the important part. Too funny.

Hey man, youre just proving what I told you before.

There was video evidence in that reddit thread as well. But I guess that was all just made up edited propaganda you dont want to believe either.

Thats okay. Believe what you want.

Just dont be upset when I told ya so.

 

[Rhino Hammer]

Whatever you say my dude. WoW updated their servers too. And were able to do things that were impossible before.



Hope you find a game you like. We will miss you. You dont have to leave though. It can still be fun.

I never knew that the PA harbored such resentment for solo/pg and sought to alienate so many Commanders. I thought the PA was inclusive of all modes of play. Play how you like and all.

 

[Jockey79]

Whatever you say my dude. WoW updated their servers too. And were able to do things that were impossible before.

And they are removing the PvP servers and bringing out a PvP flag system.
Open world PvP is dying in WoW, they are pushing it aside.

The death knell for Open PvP is ringing.

 

[Rhino Hammer]

LOL.

Man im telling ya. I can edit but not that well. You went straight to the source and seen what part was missing on your own. And it wasnt even the important part. Too funny.

Hey man, youre just proving what I told you before.

There was video evidence in that reddit thread as well. But I guess that was all just made up edited propaganda you dont want to believe too.

Thats okay. Believe what you want.

Just dont be upset when I told ya so.

I love it! The holes you dig are ginormous! I need to follow you just to keep watching the show. Comical.