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[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

I never knew that the PA harbored such resentment for solo/pg and sought to alienate so many Commanders. I thought the PA was inclusive of all modes of play. Play how you like and all.

Doesnt mean some of us doesnt want changes. We are free to speak out mind as we see fit.

I dont represent PA here. I am a part of the group. But I am free to speak my own mind.

I love it! The holes you dig are ginormous! I need to follow you just to keep watching the show. Comical.

What hole? Show me.

 

[Rhino Hammer]

Doesnt mean some of us doesnt want changes. We are free to speak out mind as we see fit.

I dont represent PA here. I am a part of the group. But I am free to speak my own mind.



What hole? Show me.

So do you hold PA values always or not? Are you saying you share PA values only when it suits you? Would you lobby this hard against your own PNF in your discord?

 

[Mouse]

LOL.

Man im telling ya. I can edit but not that well. You went straight to the source and seen what part was missing on your own. And it wasnt even the important part. Too funny.

Hey man, youre just proving what I told you before.

There was video evidence in that reddit thread as well. But I guess that was all just made up edited propaganda you dont want to believe either.

Thats okay. Believe what you want.

Just dont be upset when I told ya so.

I believe facts... so far you are far short on those. Next you are going to tell me Wikipedia is a academic source..

 

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

And they are removing the PvP servers and bringing out a PvP flag system.
Open world PvP is dying in WoW, they are pushing it aside.

The death knell for Open PvP is ringing.

Really, because only the ones that PVP have influence whether the zone gets buffed. And the PVEers can complete the quests but have no control over the fight in the area.

Also Warmode also gets a buff to PVP play for Experience and filling the PVP bar for extra gear.

The PVPers are rewarded. And the PVEers get the same basics youd get from quest lines.

The PVPers control the zones and buffs that comes with it.

I believe facts... so far you are far short on those. Next you are going to tell me Wikipedia is a academic source..

Ive showed you the facts. You discredit them because you dont want to believe what you are seeing.

 

[Mouse]

Really, because only the ones that PVP have influence whether the zone gets buffed. And the PVEers can complete the quests but have no control over the fight in the area.

Also Warmode also gets a buff to PVP play for Experience and filling the PVP bar for extra gear.

The PVPers are rewarded. And the PVEers get the same basics youd get from quest lines.

The PVPers control the zones and buffs that comes with it.



Ive showed you the facts. You discredit them because you dont want to believe what you are seeing.

That is the thing, you haven't.. Your one picture was discredited and can't be proven true, your other sources are not factual but opinion based... Seriously.. what school did you learn research from?

 

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

So do you hold PA values always or not? Are you saying you share PA values only when it suits you? Would you lobby this hard against your own PNF in your discord?

I see what youre trying to do here. But its not going to work.

I also know you joined our discord. I see through you already brother. They already know what you're up to. We all do.

We still agree with play your own way. I agree with it. But there are some things that need changed balancing wise. And we are allowed to speak up for that.

 

[Havvk]

I absolutely love pvp, in eve 90% of my time is pvp, solo, small gang or large fleet. However here I don't bother not because I am scared, not because I can't get gud as I suspect if I could be bothered to git gud that just as I do in eve I would hand many players their . Here however pvp is totally pointless and I really cant be bothered with a side show like that. Even in eve I will only kill you if you are competing. I enter a wormhole if you are huffing gas I will let you get on with it and not bother you. You arent a danger and you aren't taking sites from me. Here it is I will kill you because you are a player rather than an npc. pointless and meaningless

You and others like you in Eve was the only reason why I kept playing that toxic -show of a game as long as I did. Thank you for not killing other pilots for just them existing, 07 CMDR

 

[Maka Gucci]

lol, damn. This thread makes up the majority of the activity stream.

 

[Mouse]

We still agree with play your own way. I agree with it. But there are some things that need changed balancing wise. And we are allowed to speak up for that.

Now if you would work with people and work to keep things balanced but change so that PVP has more of an effect then it would be great. But sadly all your ideas harm one side to benefit the other..

 

[Rhino Hammer]

I see what youre trying to do here. But its not going to work.

I also know you joined our discord. I see through you already brother. They already know what you're up to. We all do.

We still agree with play your own way. I agree with it. But there are some things that need changed balancing wise. And we are allowed to speak up for that.

I’m trying to see how/why you speak out of both sides of your mouth on the issue. The PA is a really cool group and I was looking for more information on the charity work that the group is doing. Especially with all levels of Autism. But you can think what you will. I’ve done my homework on your group to see if it’s as bad as you say it is.

I think that your group advertises inclusiveness and you scream elitism. Either you’re a hypocrite or your group is lying. Which is it?

 

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

Now if you would work with people and work to keep things balanced but change so that PVP has more of an effect then it would be great. But sadly all your ideas harm one side to benefit the other..

Welp, until the rewards and influences change for the amount of risk thats involved. Nothing changes. The scales are tipped to one side. It needs to balance out. I think that changing %'s per mode. And rewarding open for its hostility would help with this. And it would definitively define the understanding in what PVP should be used for.

Im on your guys side more than you think. It should be used more than griefing and ganking.

Let me use it for fight over territory.

I’m trying to see how/why you speak out of both sides of your mouth on the issue. The PA is a really cool group and I was looking for more information on the charity work that the group is doing. Especially with all levels of Autism. But you can think what you will. I’ve done my homework on your group to see if it’s as bad as you say it is.

I think that your group advertises inclusiveness and you scream elitism. Either you’re a hypocrite or your group is lying. Which is it?

What do you mean done your research on our group. There are people out there that hate us. If you want to be one of them go for it. If you wanna hate me go for it.

 

[Mouse]

Welp, until the rewards and influences change for the amount of risk thats involved. Nothing changes. The scales are tipped to one side. It needs to balance out. I think that changing %'s per mode. And rewarding open for its hostility would help with this. And it would definitively define the understanding in what PVP should be used for.

Im on your guys side more than you think. It should be used more than griefing and ganking.

Let me use it for fight over territory.



What do you mean done your research on our group. There are people out there that hate us. If you want to be one of them go for it. If you wanna hate me go for it.

And all the echos of people telling you that rewards and influences are wrong as they themselves are in Open and none of that is needed. You ignored all of that.. because that isn't what is needed to make PVP meaningful.

 

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

And all the echos of people telling you that rewards and influences are wrong as they themselves are in Open and none of that is needed. You ignored all of that.. because that isn't what is needed to make PVP meaningful.

I didnt ignore it.

Ive been in it. A part of it. Its simply not true.

 

[Rhino Hammer]

Welp, until the rewards and influences change for the amount of risk thats involved. Nothing changes. The scales are tipped to one side. It needs to balance out. I think that changing %'s per mode. And rewarding open for its hostility would help with this. And it would definitively define the understanding in what PVP should be used for.

Im on your guys side more than you think. It should be used more than griefing and ganking.

Let me use it for fight over territory.

You scream inequality across modes and ignore the other platforms. You say your PF recruits across platforms, but mystically can’t recruit across modes.

Your perceived imbalance is self inflicted. All your sniping “evidence” is simply trying to prove a flawed point. You could have real discussion on how to grow the game from what it is but you just want to tear down. From what I’ve seen of the PA, I’m surprised that you feel that way.

 

[Mouse]

I didnt ignore it.

Ive been in it. A part of it. Its simply not true.

Well their credibility has been higher than yours.. and you choose to ignore facts then claim others do it...

 

[Rhino Hammer]

Welp, until the rewards and influences change for the amount of risk thats involved. Nothing changes. The scales are tipped to one side. It needs to balance out. I think that changing %'s per mode. And rewarding open for its hostility would help with this. And it would definitively define the understanding in what PVP should be used for.

Im on your guys side more than you think. It should be used more than griefing and ganking.

Let me use it for fight over territory.



What do you mean done your research on our group. There are people out there that hate us. If you want to be one of them go for it. If you wanna hate me go for it.

Hate you?!? I WANT to fight to provide the gameplay you’re looking for! Without alienating everyone who has bought the game to date. There are threads started by your perceived enemies that want to find a way to give you what you’re asking for without taking from the game we all bought!

I would love to fly with you and raise money/awareness for a number of charities. But not if it means casting aside the vast majority of commanders who love this game too.

 

[Mouse]

Hate you?!? I WANT to fight to provide the gameplay you’re looking for! Without alienating everyone who has bought the game to date. There are threads started by your perceived enemies that want to find a way to give you what you’re asking for without taking from the game we all bought!

I would love to fly with you and raise money/awareness for a number of charities. But not if it means casting aside the vast majority of commanders who love this game too.

Can't rep you so soon, so here is 1000 lbs of Cubeo Razorback Bacon

 

[Phisto Sobanii]

Keep it up, 90sKid!

Edit: tiredz

 

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

Hate you?!? I WANT to fight to provide the gameplay you’re looking for! Without alienating everyone who has bought the game to date. There are threads started by your perceived enemies that want to find a way to give you what you’re asking for without taking from the game we all bought!

I would love to fly with you and raise money/awareness for a number of charities. But not if it means casting aside the vast majority of commanders who love this game too.

Some people wont like the advantage being taken away from them. That means they would have the chance to be stopped. And pvp being meaningful here. Instead of like it now.

Its the whole reason I came here. When I first started fighting for this stuff. I wasnt even a PVPer yet. Hell, I've never fired upon anyone else.

It was when, I joined GCI and showed people I was going to learn how to defend myself in open. I had a few carebears go crazy over it. Called me names and left the game. Found it strange.

I spoke with a few PVPers. Asked them whats going on.

I said well, I have a suggestion. And having past experience with balancing. I was hoping I could give some input here. That was 9 months ago.

The toxicity that happens in and out of the game. Is all based on how the game was developed. But the thing is, its evolved from what it was. To what we have today.

And the defining rules need to be changed.

No different in how things changed in WoW, League, Everquest and so on. They have all had fundamental changes to push people in the correct direction of play.

[video=youtube;tL_bCwiUKNE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tL_bCwiUKNE[/video]

This video and many others on their youtube channel. Show progress, Evolution and talk about funneling content.

This is all stuff Developers talk about and even go to school for .

My question has been. If frontier is aware of it. Why havnt they changed anything yet?

And I am thinking, they just weren't ready. And neither was the community. But now things are changing.

I Firmly believe Squadrons is the right time for change here.

They know its toxic. They see the same stuff we do.

By defining it. Nothing is being taken away from anyone else.

 

[Mouse]

Some people wont like the advantage being taken away from them. That means they would have the chance to be stopped. And pvp being meaningful here. Instead of like it now.

Its the whole reason I came here. When I first started fighting for this stuff. I wasnt even a PVPer yet. Hell, I've never fired upon anyone else.

It was when, I joined GCI and showed people I was going to learn how to defend myself in open. I had a few carebears go crazy over it. Called me names and left the game. Found it strange.

I spoke with a few PVPers. Asked them whats going on.

I said well, I have a suggestion. And having past experience with balancing. I was hoping I could give some input here. That was 9 months ago.

The toxicity that happens in and out of the game. Is all based on how the game was developed. But the thing is, its evolved from what it was. To what we have today.

And the defining rules need to be changed.

No different in how things changed in WoW, League, Everquest and so on. They have all had fundamental changes to push people in the correct direction of play.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tL_bCwiUKNE

This video and many others on their youtube channel. Show progress, Evolution and talk about funneling content.

This is all stuff Developers talk about and even go to school for .

My question has been. If frontier is aware of it. Why havnt they changed anything yet?

And I am thinking, they just weren't ready. And neither was the community. But now things are changing.

I Firmly believe Squadrons is the right time for change here.

They know its toxic. They see the same stuff we do.

By defining it. Nothing is being taken away from anyone else.

The toxicity wasn't from the game... you and others brought it here... because you bought a game and it wasn't what you thought it was. And since you continue you still like to try and compare Elite to other games that it isn't comparable to... Would be the same if I bought No Man's Sky and went on their forums demanding they make it so it is a submarine game not a space ship game.