It's not different. Hence why I didn't make those suggestions.
Lucky for us, Frontier just ignore suggestions to change the core game away from what they want.
Try the top link in my Sig.
Plenty of quotes there for you.
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It's not different. Hence why I didn't make those suggestions.
Lucky for us, Frontier just ignore suggestions to change the core game away from what they want.
Try the top link in my Sig.
Plenty of quotes there for you.
There's a naughty part of me wishing you get what you wish.
Yay! It's all Open Only now .... uhm ... now what?
We defend our system.
Cool!
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No one's attacking our system.
Yeah, all those solo/pg cowards won't come in open so they given up.
Pillocks
Damn straight, pillocks.
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So ... who is doing the influence changing now?
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Maybe we should ...
Hell naw, I aint going to fill boring PvE buckets. Let those PvE CMDRs take care of that.
But they won't.
Nah, cowards, the lot of them.
At least we're not losing influence
Exactly! Great isn't it?
We're not gaining any either.
Yeah .... cowards!
Pillocks!
Damn straight
*spaceweed*
Yay! It's all Open Only now .... uhm ... now what?
We defend our system.
Cool!
....
....
No one's attacking our system.
Yeah, all those solo/pg cowards won't come in open so they given up.
Pillocks
Damn straight, pillocks.
....
....
So ... who is doing the influence changing now?
....
....
Maybe we should ...
Hell naw, I aint going to fill boring PvE buckets. Let those PvE CMDRs take care of that.
But they won't.
Nah, cowards, the lot of them.
At least we're not losing influence
Exactly! Great isn't it?
We're not gaining any either.
Yeah .... cowards!
Pillocks!
Damn straight
*spaceweed*
If that were the case, all of the suggestions to encourage PvP wouldn't be dismissed. The single initiative here is to limit access to core game mechanics to open. That doesn't improve or make PvP more meaningful, it only serves to make it more plentiful. It has been shown time and time again that influence on the BGS can be gained equally in any of the modes, by design. Even when confronted with the fact that each end every Commander has equal access to all mechanics we end up with some notion that open, and PvP must be the deciding factor in how that influence is applied. BGS factions and PP Powers are not neutered in open, all of the mechanics are available right there.
Where does that come from? Every BGS/PP action has a counter. All of these actions and counters are equally available in any of the three modes. That some players choose to pursue them in open, doen't compel others to do the same. This brings us back to where we use the developers words to emphasis this concept. This is where the Dev's saying that all modes are equal in their eyes becomes relevant.
No one can have an advantage over you. Hit Solo/PG like everyone else if you think there is an advantage in attacking, or defending a player faction. The BGS/PP doesn't require a presence in open. Only your preference does. Prove that your preference is more important than mine.
WorldsGreatestForumDad
Banned
Yeah thats not how that would happen. Would some leave, sure? But the same amount of people ya'll ran off over the past 5 years in the hotel california threads. Would outweigh the people that left because of the advantage they no longer have.
Those people would return. Just like those people returned for 1 weekend in RHEA.
There are lots of statistics you arent taking into account. Especially the asian market Tencent brings with them when they take part in a company.
Quite honestly, the game would be just fine if people left. And if people leave because balance is brought to the game.
So be it. Dont let the doors hit you guys on the way out.
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Fantasy. From the earliest days of the game, people were leaving open for Solo/PG. Before PP, before Player Group Associated Factions, before CG's even. Right from the get go, FD have accommodated players who wish to opt out of PvP. Evidence: Look at the support FD have given, and continue to give to PG's that outgrow their limitations. I'm afraid there is just no evidence, anywhere that FD would curtail universal access in favor of cries for open-only.
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WorldsGreatestForumDad
Banned
I know that. Thats where the meta is with all those modules I engineered is missing. No need for them.
They only hold me back by putting them on.
Im saying, as a defender in the BGS. Restricted to open. Means I could stop your progress against us.
PVP is a side show because of the options YOU are taking.
PVP can be more than a side show.
When you guys say that stuff. When developers see it. They ask "why is PVP a side show". They even go as far as "We are aware the pvp community is small". And you all use that thinking you have the upper hand in saying PVP will always be useless.
Oh boy. You guys wont get it. Until it hits smack dab in the middle of your faces lol.
WorldsGreatestForumDad
Banned
Truth, every one of those things I mentioned is true.
Check the stats for Rhea, Look up that company, and go back and look at the people that participated in the Hotel California threads, Read through them. See whos not around anymore. And see who still is.
Thats a major problem. Games like this are made to retain people. Not cycle people.
Hello?
Or are you saying "Fanatsy". Because you dont want me to be right?
It's all your choice. You can even jump back and forth between the modes as you wish. There is nothing, but your preference, stopping you. I am simply not beholding to your preference.
As to Meta's. Why should your approved meta, be superior to any other meta? I don't support your notion of Solo/PG being some kind of meta aspect of the game, but if you can accept a certain meta with reference to ship builds, suck it up and accept one surrounding BGS/PP play.
WorldsGreatestForumDad
Banned
Statistics.
Math Proves the META.
People learn this mid game mix/maxing for credits with no shields.
Stop with your circlejerk will ya.
This is all common sense stuff.
Not true.
Hiding always has its benefits. Over vulnerability.
Everyone not in Open takes advantage, not being in Open. You know that, we all do. Since all modes do share the same goal, only one, does expose you.
And, once again, you wish me to 'read between the lines' and come to your conclusion. Sorry, you and your argument are just not very convincing. I was involved with the Modes Discussion from before they were labeled 'Hotel California'. I am well aware of the discourse. There is no evidence that any turnover you point to has impacted FD enough to change course. I'm sure that FD recognize that the losses over restricting core mechanics to open, would exceed those to maintaining the status quo.
Robert Maynard
Volunteer Moderator
Sandro's quote regarding any mused about bonus for Open play not applying to the BGS post-dates the introduction of player supported Factions by quite some time....
Well, not that I accept the Meta aspect of Solo/PG that you assert, but let's just use it a a foil for a moment. Why are you willing to accept the open mode Meta of ship building, but not the meta of applying the modes? You'll grind up the mats to get that g5 DD, or that Long Range Rail Gun with Feedback Cascade because it's the most effective, but you feel offended at making a shieldless iCutter because it's the most effective. You have the same access to each, why is one more important than another? Besides your desire to play in open, and shoot at other players?
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All you have to do is apply Solo/PG as you insist other's do. Open doesn't own this game. Open is simply a choice players can make. Just like choosing which ship you fly, whether you use A-rated or Bi-Weave shields, or if you join a PP Power. You have the power to negate any advantage players in Solo/PG have by using that same perceived advantage.
You have the power.
WorldsGreatestForumDad
Banned
Has this argument gone on for 5 years?
Yes.
Obvious problem. Obvious Fix.
Not a problem for you. Because you know the advantages you are taking.
Frontier acknowledged risk and reward within the modes in that powerplay thread.
Just because they didnt do anything then. Doesnt mean that what he said as far as risk and reward per mode is untrue.
He is well aware of the Balancing issues just the same as we are.
Beyond is about fixing the core elements of the game.
Now is their chance to do it. We all seen what happened to powerplay. I dont think they will make the same mistake with squadrons, PMF's, and their chance to fix powerplay ontop of it.
The game we had when you first started those conversations. Has evolved and changed since then. And balancing will come with it. Its really not hard to see it Mohrgan.
The only reason im staying here to fight for it. Is because if and when they ever do read these threads, or announce something like they did with Powerplay back in 2016.
Im gonna make sure im there with my voice heard. And they actually follow through this time.
Instead of watching everyone throw a fit about it after he announced the imbalances. The imbalances you KNOW you are taking advantage of.
I dont care about the stupid dates maynard. He is well aware of the imbalance. He straight out said it.
If there is an imbalance, sooner or later there are changes to be made to fix those imbalances.
The dates mean JACK SQUAT SON.
Robert Maynard
Volunteer Moderator
He's not the only Dev that has posted regarding the modes....
.... and if dates don't matter then Frontier have been quite clear on the topic.
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WorldsGreatestForumDad
Banned
I really dont care who said what.
There is an obvious imbalance here. If one dev knows it. THEY ALL DO. Even if their preference is PVE. They know the risk of OPEN.
Even Braben does.
He knows there is more risk out there. They are all aware of it.
But the thing is. The game we had then. Is NOT the same game we have now. (started out single player with no PMF's or Powerplay yet)
Lots of stuff has been added, changed and rearranged. When that happens. Balancing comes into play here.
What used to work. No longer works correctly. It works, but not balanced.
This is really simple maynard.
Look at Multicrew, Wings, MODES, all that stuff.
They are all seeds planted for them to grow out later. They are creating the game. Giving us the basics. Then going back and making each seed grow.
This is exactly whats happening with this game. Its only a matter of time before this is balanced correctly.
Im just not used to the way progress happens with this game compared to others, I got caught up in asking why havnt they changed this yet. Instead of looking at whats stopping them from changing it yet. They just move slower than other gaming companies. No big deal.
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