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PVP is increasing in popularity. And It already is very popular, you just have to know where to look. Solo play isn't a good place to start looking
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That's the perfect generic statement we need, finding the common ground
New Players start to PvP every day.
PvP is popular.
If you go to certain places you are more likely to find a PvP opponent.
Playing with others can increase your possibilities in an exciting way.
MarketingSpeak is awesome
So you understand we all agree the title is trolling, and that any activity could have been substituted to attack it, like exploration.
But would those players that self-identify as explorers even be bothered by such a troll post? If the premise is obviously wrong then what is there to argue about?
Do you think PvP is perfect as it is & no attempts should be made to make it even more popular than it currently is?
That's the perfect generic statement we need, finding the common ground
New Players start to PvP every day.
PvP is popular.
If you go to certain places you are more likely to find a PvP opponent.
Playing with others can increase your possibilities in an exciting way.
MarketingSpeak is awesome
You've been effectively gone from ED for the vast majority of every aspect of the game post engineers. How would you know whether that was marketing speak or the literal truth?
Bob Lighthouse
Banned
Not exactly.
I don't know what the OP's motive was.
It's a false premise so deserves no further consideration from me.
Much like when people who've been exploring for a year and a half opine on combat and PVP.
The only thing it deserves is shouting down for the good of the community, byt the more experienced players.
Pretty rude if you ask me, to impose on the knowledgeable like that.
Have some humility.
I'm not bothered by the OP if that's what you're suggesting.
Many subsequent arguments have been brought up.
I am interested in those.
Why are you posting?
No, and I already said I agreed with Zaphod's entire post.
"Spot on" as I already wrote.
Hey at least I was actually playing this game
You & I have discussed my trip on many occasions, it's something I'm proud to have achieved.
Do you remember that 'not fuel-rat but similar' player that got blown up near Beagle Point? I had been there the previous week (IIRC), in my Corvette. I was prepared for that eventuality, very, very few other explorers are. I spent two months over the new year in Colonia, having arrived there (in open) not knowing what kind of reception I would receive, with ~650mCr of exploration data on board. In my time there I met a lot of other players, many of whom were friendly, and visited the Jaques fireworks display, where again everyone was very welcoming. In my time in Colonia I was never once interdicted, no shots were fired, although a few players did remain docked & silent while I visited 'their' stations.
I even inspired others to attempt something similar, either using a fully equipped multi-role instead of a dedicated meta ship for whatever they want to do, or to explore in a Corvette (it's not that great for anything else, but if you're not in a hurry it's nicer to fly than a Conda), or to try to get to Beagle Point in a low jump range ship as I described the other night.
On the way back from Colonia I stopped off at every port (I missed the one nearest Colonia IIRC, not on purpose), and in each case met friendly strangers. As I got closer to the bubble there were more PvP equipped and/or Power Play aligned Cmdrs. No one ganked me, some didn't say anything & just sat in the dock, probably waiting for me to leave. I gave them no trouble & they gave me none back.
I play alone, I think I once described the way I play to you as a Hermit in Open. I don't avoid strangers, I o7 practically everyone I meet, but I don't go looking for trouble either. Sometimes it finds me, mostly it doesn't.
So I'm not 'one of you', but I'm not one of 'them' (however you want to define it) either, I'm just me, playing the game & sharing it with everyone else.
If we were in a similar thread in the exploration section (one titled 'Why Exploration isn't more popular'), do you think all the 'true explorers' would test my credentials? Do you think that because I didn't use a really long jump range meta ship that was rubbish for anything but exploring, that they would think I'm not a 'true explorer' and therefore shouldn't be in 'their' section?
If it helps, I don't consider myself an explorer either, just like PvP it's just something I've done & have opinions on.
TL;DR address the post, not the poster.
Snipped for brevity.
We are on the same side in almost every aspect, the single issue you seem to have with me is that I'm not 'one of you'. I addressed that point in my reply above to jasonbarron, I hope that you can get over this, but really it's on you to get over that hurdle if you want to.
I'm here, specifically in this thread because I have opinions on the topic, and as piggy in the middle (I PvE in Open), I don't fit in with your opposites either. I suppose I represent the middle ground. I like the game as it is, I'm happy for it to be improved for some, but only as long as it isn't made worse for others.
For example Skid has been pushing for BGS and/or Power Play influence to be made Open only, others have pushed for rewards for playing in Open because somehow we are being braver for clicking that choice. If these things were implemented I would be better off, wouldn't I? I'd get that bonus, I'd still have my game the way I play it now.
But others wouldn't, and they have their own suggestion threads where they might campaign for (for example) PvP to be removed from the game. And of course I oppose that too. Not because I enjoy PvP (although I do), but because I know that players like you do. Do you see what I mean?
So if someone proposes something that is exclusive (excludes some players) I'm against that. If someone proposes something that is inclusive (opt-in) I'll be in favour of that. Whether it has anything to do with a specific activity is not what's so important. So sometimes we will agree on a point, other times we will find ourselves on opposite sides.
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Bob Lighthouse
Banned
No, in fact, where have I ever identified myself as a PVPer?
I simply have not done so.
I only started commenting to you once you revealed you have no objective knowledge of the topic.
It's really odd that you post so frequently about a topic you say you have no interest or experience in.
All you are doing is clouding the resource for others.
You are the noise to the signal, and self identify as such.
Furthermore, you are simply not reading what I've written.
Again, it's not tribalism, it's the matter of objective experience.
It's very simple.
There's too much wrong with your post, you are just making random stuff up. I've tried to construct a suitable response a couple of times now, but it'd be nothing I haven't said before. If you want to better understand, just read my posts. If you don't, well that's up to you.
It's like... I begin to understand the reasoning behind statements about PvP being intended to be neglected.
At first, I had thought that it is about developers wasting their resources on stuff which would not benefit them directly and entirely. But I think there is more to that.
They want a world for themselves where no one can get better in anything than they are, or progress faster cause they are better at something. Cause no one would have so much as opportunity to exploit their advantage.
They want a world where they can be potatoes inside Corvettes stuffed full with turrets and docking computers and still imagine themselves top-notch elite combat aces without any risk to their self-esteem.
This game provied unbelievable for an MMO amounts of godmodding features, so they are being driven to it. And they want even more of it with time passing.
Look, this game have to be refactored alot to fulfill such fantasies fully as it is even now. Fixed weapons are the most effective, with small exceptions to it, manual docking is the fastest, FAOFF is superior in combat. And there is CQC rating already in game, despite all your efforts to remove it. Not that it is important whatsoever...
Please, do understand. I do respect you. We are both addicts after all, as we both play computer games instead of getting gut in ryl lyf. It is only some people are into stimulants, and we were invited to this junkie party with them being avaliable here and hopes of their quality and quantity increasing with time. And we like the theme of this party.
You, on your part, are into tranquillisers and euphorethics, and somehow you start tripping and telling that there should be no stimulants here, and yelling at us to get out NAOW.
Please. Calm down. I do respect your choice of high, and do not want my stuff to be force-fed to you. But it does not mean that my type of stuff should be removed instead of improvement. And I want the same respect on this.
And I feel like my insomnia starts to get the best of me...
At first, I had thought that it is about developers wasting their resources on stuff which would not benefit them directly and entirely. But I think there is more to that.
They want a world for themselves where no one can get better in anything than they are, or progress faster cause they are better at something. Cause no one would have so much as opportunity to exploit their advantage.
They want a world where they can be potatoes inside Corvettes stuffed full with turrets and docking computers and still imagine themselves top-notch elite combat aces without any risk to their self-esteem.
This game provied unbelievable for an MMO amounts of godmodding features, so they are being driven to it. And they want even more of it with time passing.
Look, this game have to be refactored alot to fulfill such fantasies fully as it is even now. Fixed weapons are the most effective, with small exceptions to it, manual docking is the fastest, FAOFF is superior in combat. And there is CQC rating already in game, despite all your efforts to remove it. Not that it is important whatsoever...
Please, do understand. I do respect you. We are both addicts after all, as we both play computer games instead of getting gut in ryl lyf. It is only some people are into stimulants, and we were invited to this junkie party with them being avaliable here and hopes of their quality and quantity increasing with time. And we like the theme of this party.
You, on your part, are into tranquillisers and euphorethics, and somehow you start tripping and telling that there should be no stimulants here, and yelling at us to get out NAOW.
Please. Calm down. I do respect your choice of high, and do not want my stuff to be force-fed to you. But it does not mean that my type of stuff should be removed instead of improvement. And I want the same respect on this.
And I feel like my insomnia starts to get the best of me...
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This is entirely wrong. There have been some people who've argued that about the engineering changes but they were roundly ridiculed by almost everyone - it's absolutely not people's general position at all.
If you do respect other people then ask them, don't imagine stuff up that puts them in the wrong and you in the right out of thin air.
This have nothing to do with engineers. And I do not like them at all as well, as they are simply a timegate before getting to the standart level. Variety they give should be simply sold as modules.
Engineers and gap between PvP and PvE ships are just parameters, which can be changed. Alot in those concerns comes down to differences in implementation. And if you say that the game should not be adjusted in any way for the sake of PvP, we return to the latter part of my previous post.
And mess I had stated earlier is what I had got so far from my experience with those forums. If you disagree, argument your position, please.
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Hey at least I was actually playing this game
Jason has done more in the past few weeks than you have in a year and a half.
A year and a half, Riverside.
Please, understand this is not a small thing.
Sure. As you said, you and others do like to play in groups. Last thing you need is a sour .
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Fair enough then. Just do me a favor and don't make the mistake of pretending you're an expert on them.
I don't think you actually read what I wrote. However if you want to just make stuff up and get all frustrated with impotent rage then that's up to you. What I wrote is there for anyone to read & interpret as they wish. So is your stuff too of course
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Wouldn't dream of itFair enough then. Just do me a favor and don't make the mistake of pretending you're an expert on them.
I don't think you actually read what I wrote. However if you want to just make stuff up and get all frustrated with impotent rage then that's up to you. What I wrote is there for anyone to read & interpret as they wish. So is your stuff too of course
So... you didn't go on an 18 month exploration tour of the galaxy? Huh?
River, I don't look down on your 18 month journey at all. In fact, I'm one of a handful of people who can even wrap my mind around it having underwent a similar experience myself. So, don't imagine for a second that I'm trying to be negative about your trip which is quite an accomplishment. But with that said, you are easily in the top ten of the most opinionated people I know on the forum, especially in PvP matters, and that 18 months away means that you've effectively missed out on a LOT of stuff, basically making you a "newb" all over again. 18 months means it wasn't long after engineers were introduced that you went on walk about. I spent five months on my own journey to BP and back, and I know for a fact that it bears no relationship whatsoever to the rest of the game, much less the conversations about PvP integration. Yet, you basically vilified me and wrote a summation of me on the forum in a post that I didn't even get to read because it was moderated all because I don't agree with you on PvP matters.
You need to accept that the reason I don't agree with you is because I am very experienced and that experience has given me a completely different perspective then you, a player who's more or less has been having an experience that has literally nothing to do with the subject at hand.
Your trip was one hell of an achievement; I know because I've done it, too. But in this conversation, I respectfully submit that you could stand to learn and not preach.
What else did I write?
Attack the post, not the poster. I don't think you really grasp this key concept, because it would mean actually reading & taking on board what people write, and watching videos on how the game works before getting worked up that it isn't practical, and understanding that people have been trying to find a way for you to get what you want. That's all in this thread Phisto, have a look back if you want to check.
You need to get over this whole 'true scotsman' thing Phisto, take on board the feedback no matter what the source & actually grow. Modify your plan, make a revised proposal & actually try to achieve something.
Can you give an example of where I have given advice on how to PvP? I've said what I do & how I play the game, I never recommend it. You speak from your experience, I speak from mine. Mine isn't wrong, it's just from a different point of view.
This thread is about why PvP isn't popular. You are a self described PvPer, you already like it.
So as someone not heavily into it (but does fight other players), I am in a position to give a view on what changes might encourage me to do more of it, to want to do it rather than just let it come if it comes.
You are in a position to see in more detail how it could be better too, but you already like it & presumably do it as often as you can, so there are no changes that would make you do it more than you already do. You do however offer valuable insight into any suggestions I make, based on your experience. Same with anyone else, preferably someone with a different perspective again.
In addition, if I make a suggestion that's good for me but flawed or harms your playstyle, I need to take that feedback onboard & modify my proposal, or abandon it as unworkable.
EDIT - tweaked the wording of the penultimate paragraph.
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