General / Off-Topic Mental health services...rant incoming

[Zak Gordon]

You most likely have looked into this already, but on the off chance not, have you looked into any charities that try to help with you daughters specific condition? There must be some, and maybe if she can simply find some sympathetic people to talk to about it all, that might help? The NHS is pretty much on it's knees at this point (i have an Aunt that recently quit from it after like 30 years service, so i know the reality!), so maybe looking outside that 'official' channel might be your best bet?

 

[verminstar]

Hey bud, you might ask yourself... If you don’t teach her to self medicate, but say you might, is that a crime or more importantly something the social services would act upon before your daughter reaps any benefit.

With my history, they will investigate...I dont hide what I do like others do and they are well aware of what I do and have done fer some time. Last time I got busted, I asked the judge if we could hurry things along cos the local greasy spoon only served fries upto lunchtime. Thats how little I care about the law.

So even the suggestion I would do it will trigger a response whereas with others, they may not act at all. Im basically using the system to my advantage in a way its not supposed to be used...an exploit if ye like. If thats what I have to do to get a result, then thats what Ill do. Im a father so theres nothing I wouldnt do fer her...frankly Id be more worried if I didnt do anything drastic as anything less is the mark of a coward and a weak character.

True it might backfire...but so long as I got nothing to hide then I dont see how it could, and steps are being taken as I speak to ensure that result. Ive even got a new door on order if the peelers destroy my front door at 4 in the morning...lets just assume it wouldnt be the first front door Ive replaced...it take about 3 months to get compo from them so if ye cant afford a new front door, then there builders planks and a box of nails in the shed.

This aint my first rodeo as they say ^

 

[verminstar]

Milk suffers the same problem right now, because like produce(ie marijuana) it's subject to many variables.
That is an entirely different thing than a drug made in a lab.
That has nothing to do with the legality or legality.
Milk doesn't even need to be as consistent in the first place; it's a food not a drug.

I don't see how some people misusing evidence is somehow an argument against it.
So what?
It's still the best tool we have.
What's up with the scare quotes?
The baloney surrounding cannabis lately is in another league altogether.

Getting back to the implications in this thread, marijuana has shown some pretty strong associations with psychosis.
Not something to be taken lightly with children I suggest.

Im not gonna sit and deny it could make matters worse...it could which is why its an absolute last resort. If I was certain it would help, she would already be on it and nobody would be any the wiser cos I wouldnt tell anyone.

But Im not certain. Its like I say, she needs to be an adult to make those choices herself and do her own research. Works like a charm fer me but my reasons and issues are vastly different...Im also 46 years old and have been a user since I was 14, so Ive had lots of time to find out what works and what doesnt...fer me.

People throw up all sorts of ignorance in response to it...like assuming it gives ye hallucinations when theres not a single strain on the planet that does that. And thats a fact. Fighting it is akin to turning the clocks back on half a century of state sponsored propaganda, and by and large most people just accept what they are fed without question because they assume their own government never lies. Its an uphill battle, real hacksaw ridge stuff so I tend to just ignore most of it and keep on doing what I do regardless. I know the truth and thats enough fer me ^

 

[Ian Skippy]

Just to clarify this.
Paxil is NOT used in under-18 patients, because the makers got caught deliberately falsifying the data. They deliberately encouraged its use in the most vulnerable age group, where suicides were increased, while claiming that they were decreased, in Trumpian fashion -for $$$.

They were fined a huge sum: 3 billion, IIRC.
Glaxo Smith Kline Beecham were the villains. I had the pleasure of physically ejecting their representative from the precincts of my office, and have never prescribed any of their products since.

As much as I'd like V's kid to get treated, I remain quite skeptical that the meds would be useful in any meaningful way. And I'm saying that as a doctor, with a daughter in the same state.

I am aware of the case, but (not sure about the UK) over here it is not banned for use by underage patients. They just added a disclaimer that there is an increased risk of suicide, but that its up to the doctor to prescribe it or not to people under the age of 18. There is zero legislation against it.

 

[verminstar]

I am aware of the case, but (not sure about the UK) over here it is not banned for use by underage patients. They just added a disclaimer that there is an increased risk of suicide, but that its up to the doctor to prescribe it or not to people under the age of 18. There is zero legislation against it.

The author of the research paper used in the 60s which was used by the government was heavily edited after the report was handed to them. The scientist went onto be discredited in several other nations and his career dwindled into obscurity because of the percieved lies he told. Only he didnt...the government did that part all on their lonesome then covered their tracks by slamming a gagging order on the original author. The author was merely collateral damage. They got smarter in the 90s when the lies began to wobble a bit on the rails, so they threw a whole team of spin doctors at it with the order to make it look really bad, but believable so people would stop asking awkward questions ^

 

[Deleted member 110222]

I was going to write a long rant.

But I'll put it shortly.

The NHS does not care if you have a noose around your own neck.

Source? That one time I got police called on me, and it was more than a noose.

Police took custody of me, searched me, and after letting me go, I have not heard a peep from any doctors. Frankly, they can all do one.

I'm on medication but I don't take it half the time, because I just don't care anymore. What's the point?

Course it leads to fun times with the voices, but actually I prefer their company. They actually listen.

 

[Chaparral]

Hey OP, really sorry to hear about the challenges facing your family. Things are a little different here in the US, but not too much. I hope that the support groups Algo mentioned exist where you are. You are not alone.

 

[Necronaught]

I was going to write a long rant.

But I'll put it shortly.

The NHS does not care if you have a noose around your own neck.

Source? That one time I got police called on me, and it was more than a noose.

Police took custody of me, searched me, and after letting me go, I have not heard a peep from any doctors. Frankly, they can all do one.

I'm on medication but I don't take it half the time, because I just don't care anymore. What's the point?

Course it leads to fun times with the voices, but actually I prefer their company. They actually listen.

I sat on a viaduct listening to Master of Puppets, drinking a can of Stella with my feet dangling over the edge. I like heights! About 20 minutes later a copper grabs me from behind puts me in a head lock and pulls me off the fence of the viaduct. Out of the corner of my eye I could see an ambulance and 2 squad cars. I was held overnight and interrogated by two health care professionals. I was legit facing a three day observation in some crisis center. Scary as hell.

BTW I hear the necrotic whisperings are very good at inspiring you to create music. Pinch yourself a copy of Ableton Live.

I'm surprised you haven't been taken yet mate.

 

[Deleted member 110222]

I sat on a viaduct listening to Master of Puppets, drinking a can of Stella with my feet dangling over the edge. I like heights! About 20 minutes later a copper grabs me from behind puts me in a head lock and pulls me off the fence of the viaduct. Out of the corner of my eye I could see an ambulance and 2 squad cars. I was held overnight and interrogated by two health care professionals. I was legit facing a three day observation in some crisis center. Scary as hell.

BTW I hear the necrotic whisperings are very good at inspiring you to create music. Pinch yourself a copy of Ableton Live.

I'm surprised you haven't been taken yet mate.

If by taken you mean sectioned, I too don't know how I've dodged that bullet.

Oh trust me, it's been close. Sometimes I was even the one who wanted to call the cops. When I have a meltdown... Oh man, those aren't good. Pretty dangerous, actually. Last time I near enough knocked myself out, after headbutting a wall. Things are not going well, when you hurt yourself so you only hurt yourself.

 

[Rob At Work]

I hope you you do not think Hemp Oil is an hallucinogenic drug —- it’s chemical make up is in no way similar to Cannabis

In the same way that Bacon & Pork are two different products. Hemp Oil is not illegal though and has been processed.

 

[Rob At Work]

I was going to write a long rant.

But I'll put it shortly.

The NHS does not care if you have a noose around your own neck.

Source? That one time I got police called on me, and it was more than a noose.

Police took custody of me, searched me, and after letting me go, I have not heard a peep from any doctors. Frankly, they can all do one.

I'm on medication but I don't take it half the time, because I just don't care anymore. What's the point?

Course it leads to fun times with the voices, but actually I prefer their company. They actually listen.

In a nutshell you describe the eternal battle well. Those of us fighting it know that it's not sensible but do it anyway, it's the moaning about it that drives others up the wall - just get on with it!

 

[verminstar]

In the same way that Bacon & Pork are two different products. Hemp Oil is not illegal though and has been processed.

Some CBD products are available and perfectly legal, although its not 100% effective and many users have simply gone back to the illegal sources because the sprays and oils simply arent strong enough to have a real impact. The differences made are very subtle which is why many people I know used the legal versions once or twice and then threw them in the bin.

Ive used the aerosols the doctors gave me...didnt work at all which the doctors werent happy about, but they admitted in the end that I was far from the only one who claimed they were useless. I just shrugged and went back to what works without so much as a second thought.

Fair play to them fer trying, but by and large, its a wasted effort. So long as the law remains unchanged, so too the issues will persist and worsen over time. They lost their little war years ago and now its costing them resources fighting a losing battle in a war thats already over...they just dont realize it yet ^

 

[Insomnia]

I'm so sorry about your issues, mate.

I think I can consider myself lucky that my town has a decent mental health service, and that they are quick to try helping their patients with both cognitive behavioural therapy and medicine, or send their patients to psychologists.

I have daughter as well and wish you the best in the struggle!

 

[verminstar]

If by taken you mean sectioned, I too don't know how I've dodged that bullet.

Oh trust me, it's been close. Sometimes I was even the one who wanted to call the cops. When I have a meltdown... Oh man, those aren't good. Pretty dangerous, actually. Last time I near enough knocked myself out, after headbutting a wall. Things are not going well, when you hurt yourself so you only hurt yourself.

Just to expand a wee bit on this...ye know that as bad as the system can be, the option is there to sign yerself in? There is some setting up to do beforehand, its not like a hotel when ye just turn up when ye feel like it, but the option is there if ye feel ye need it.

Ye need an outlet to allow yerself to let off steam now and then...its one the things I miss the most about when I did mountain biking cos its a hard act to follow when ye wake up to find ye cant do it anymore. Most people with aspergers have hobbies that they can be quite passionate and obsessed with because those are merely different forms of pressure release...thats why games like this are so cool because they not only allow yer imagination to run wild, ED encourages it.

But a game is just half the fight...if ye have anger issues like I have then ye need something physical thats gonna make ye sweat. Ye need something to get yer adrenaline going...something ye can focus yer rage into and learn to use it and control it. Fer me that was mountain biking, and not just gentle trails...full face helmets, body armour and bikes with about 8 inches suspension in the rear and the same up front costing about 3 grand...that sorta mountain biking. I was actually fairly decent at it too even raced in the pro/elite catagories fer about 4 years.

Im not as indestructable these days and find losing the rag in the mountains at the dogs everyday, cursing and swearing at them where absolutely nobody can hear me is the best I can manage. Keeps me active and the dog/master relationship is...unique although they know when the tone changes that its not playtime. Nature saw fit to grace me with a strong and very loud voicebox...and it would surprise ye just how good it feels using every swear word under the sun in anger at two dogs who are utterly obsessed with balls...and squirells and rabbits and cats and leaves blowing in the wind...basically just anything that moves really...pure canine adhd jack russels.

Just sayin...find an outlet...dont bottle it up cos thats the worst thing ye can do. Thats what the doctors tell ye to do which just makes it so much worse cos when their patients cant bottle it up, they knock ye out and turn ye into a dribbling zombie. And thats why doctors can take a running jump fer all I care, so on that note, I agree.

Just dont let it turn inwards...thats how it destroys ye and turns to self harming, depression...ye know how it goes from there. It can be a deep hole to climb back out off and all too easy to fall into...hope ye get sorted m8 ^

 

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