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How long will Elite Dangerous rule the world of space games?
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They're definitely a long ways off, but I've been impressed with their general design direction. Lots of focus on making the moment-to-moment experience as engaging as possible. I'm quite interested to see how their salvage / repair mechanics look after the next big update.Elite has always ruled, since the 80s
Only possible contender I have seen is SC, but to say it has a long way to go to get to the ED bar is an understatement.
although I don't see any serious competition coming to Elite in the next few years, on its current trajectory I don't think Elite will be able to sustain the demand it's currently filling. People are starting to get Elite fatigue. The grind is getting too monotonous, new content is pretty much ruined by more grind and utter pointlessness of the activities that are added. Even the die-hard Elite YouTubers who are trying to remain positive are starting to tire of the direction Elite is headed. I don't produce content but I've been an avid player for quite some time (over 3000 hours ingame) and am starting to lose interest and the C&P changes, the constant nerfs, and constant bugs are wearing thin. After 2.3 I almost quit but the VR experience kept me playing despite the increasingly awful gameplay but since 3.0 dropped even VR (which is awesome) is losing its ability to keep me engaged.
To add insult to injury, after stating that "FDev respects the time players put in" they add more ridiculous grind, an unnecessarily over-complicated C&P system and nerf the crap out of anything that players actually enjoyed in the game.
Sad to say, but Elite is on the verge of losing at least one die-hard fan, and from the sounds of it I may not be the only one. I really hope FDev gets their head of of their and stops trying to control how players consume their product and concentrate on providing the game and experience players want.
At this point I haven't played more than a few hours since 3.5 dropped. I haven't even started it up in almost a month and don't even miss it. For now, I keep up with the goings-on within the game through the forums, but with all the whining and the "it's time to [insert pet cause here]" posts I'm kind of getting tired of that too.
To add insult to injury, after stating that "FDev respects the time players put in" they add more ridiculous grind, an unnecessarily over-complicated C&P system and nerf the crap out of anything that players actually enjoyed in the game.
Sad to say, but Elite is on the verge of losing at least one die-hard fan, and from the sounds of it I may not be the only one. I really hope FDev gets their head of of their and stops trying to control how players consume their product and concentrate on providing the game and experience players want.
At this point I haven't played more than a few hours since 3.5 dropped. I haven't even started it up in almost a month and don't even miss it. For now, I keep up with the goings-on within the game through the forums, but with all the whining and the "it's time to [insert pet cause here]" posts I'm kind of getting tired of that too.
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How are we quantifying "taking the crown" here? Sales? Number of users? Profits? Media attention? Review scores? Elite isn't #1 in any of these and it certainly hasn't dethroned EVE in any meaningful way. And yet nonetheless it continues to exist and people continue to love it. There are equally dedicated communities for Elite's so-called competitors and they probably all think that their space game of choice is the best one currently available. Elite is niche. Elite is an obscure game that most gamers have never heard of, and the vast majority will never play. And that's OK.
Well said
So, that's two players lost, then? [haha]
I have a sneaking suspicion that as soon as the "other game" looks like drawing players away in large numbers, FD will come up with a stonkingly good version which they have been holding back on us all this time. (Like legs , or dinosaur hunting .... that sort of level of game).
I don't know about the competition but I do know that I'm roughly in the same boat with everything you typed after that. I have not played in over a month. That's a stretch for me.
It is all highly subjective IMO.
For me ED never ruled anything. It was very promising before 2.1, with 2.1 it took wrong turn and at that point it was 100% clear to me that it is not the game i wanted to see. I am still playing X3, and at this point more than ED, and despite all the shortcomings and limitations of that game ED never got even close to what can be done there and how alive it feels. Basically the only good thing about ED (and the only thing that keeps me playing) is how good actually "flying spaceship" is done, including graphics, sound, cockpit, flight model etc...and even some of this things are getting worse with updates...
Eve, STO and such? Totally different games, they are fun too, in a way, and i played them too, but basically this are just another MMORPG-s with spaceships instead of elves and dwarfs, nothing to do with ED or X....
For me ED never ruled anything. It was very promising before 2.1, with 2.1 it took wrong turn and at that point it was 100% clear to me that it is not the game i wanted to see. I am still playing X3, and at this point more than ED, and despite all the shortcomings and limitations of that game ED never got even close to what can be done there and how alive it feels. Basically the only good thing about ED (and the only thing that keeps me playing) is how good actually "flying spaceship" is done, including graphics, sound, cockpit, flight model etc...and even some of this things are getting worse with updates...
Eve, STO and such? Totally different games, they are fun too, in a way, and i played them too, but basically this are just another MMORPG-s with spaceships instead of elves and dwarfs, nothing to do with ED or X....
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Duel Universe has piqued my interest but I'll wait until it's released and there are reviews out there. Where possible I'd like some word of mouth from other players.
If the building side of things gets in the way of flying my ship and starts out like Osiris New Dawn then I'll give it a miss.
If the building side of things gets in the way of flying my ship and starts out like Osiris New Dawn then I'll give it a miss.
You Reed Richard'd the hell out of the statement! hahah Even Mr. Fantastic would be proud! I seriously doubt Elite has surpassed any game in the state that it is in and content that it has now (arguably with SC, that's already another thread).
Don't get me wrong, I like Elite but not as much as I like Eve Online. Eve Online has been my go-to when Elite isn't hitting my c-spot for content.
Eve Online has better:
- C&P (they've even squashed combat logging almost entirely with 15 minute PVP combat logout timers when engaged in "player combat", imagine that)
- exploration content (wormholes and the upcoming "Abyssal Deadspace", deeper into the rabbit hole of space-time we go!)
- PVP content/loot
- player sovereignty wars
- ship fitting
- lore
- new player experience
- player owned stations/citadels
- player driven economy
- community events have actual rewards (modules, implants and skins) rather than just credits
Every asset in Elite has no purpose other than "it's there, now grind". To me, Elite is the Assassin's Creed of the space-sims errr (no, it's not a sim)... MMO errr (yes but no)... errr game?
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Holy moly, just imagine a X³ with the quality of flight model and graphics of Elite ! -DROOOOOOL-
Elite Dangerous is a really bad game and it had a lot of potential, well... it still has but 3 years of development serves as a confirmation of bad design decissions so no much hopes for the future.
The truth is there aren't much space games that gives you a huge map to play. Maybe No mans sky but the gameplay is exactly the same boring simplicity as Elite.
By the end of this year it will be 4 years since release. If Elite doesn't come with true gameplay by then I think then I will put all my focus on Star Citizen which looks like they do care for the gameplay.
The truth is there aren't much space games that gives you a huge map to play. Maybe No mans sky but the gameplay is exactly the same boring simplicity as Elite.
By the end of this year it will be 4 years since release. If Elite doesn't come with true gameplay by then I think then I will put all my focus on Star Citizen which looks like they do care for the gameplay.
I agree that Elite hasn't taken any crowns. It is the best, or rather only, multiplayer space simulator in the market right now, but it doesn't compete with anything that's actually released. If No Man's Sky had actual multiplayer, that would be its only competition. And if Star Citizen releases before Frontier shuts down the ED servers, that will compete too, but right now Elite is all we have. Yes, EvE is a much more complete game than Elite, but it's not a space flight simulator.
The one game I have my eye on is Bethesda's Starfield, which rumor has it will be officially unveiled at E3 this year and release in time for the Christmas shopping season. Its main designer is Todd Howard, who's probably responsible for more wasted hours than anyone else in human history. If they can get something similar to Elite's spaceflight and couple it with Skyrim's and Fallout's gameplay (not to mention mod support), that would probably be enough to kill off Star Citizen and put a big dent in Elite's active player numbers. The big question is their game engine - what Bethsoft have been using for Fallout and Elder Scrolls can't handle fast moving vehicles, so it will be interesting to find out the technical details that come out.
The one game I have my eye on is Bethesda's Starfield, which rumor has it will be officially unveiled at E3 this year and release in time for the Christmas shopping season. Its main designer is Todd Howard, who's probably responsible for more wasted hours than anyone else in human history. If they can get something similar to Elite's spaceflight and couple it with Skyrim's and Fallout's gameplay (not to mention mod support), that would probably be enough to kill off Star Citizen and put a big dent in Elite's active player numbers. The big question is their game engine - what Bethsoft have been using for Fallout and Elder Scrolls can't handle fast moving vehicles, so it will be interesting to find out the technical details that come out.
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Outlook uncertain.
All i can say for the moment is that while there are some interesting looking space games coming out, i don't see anything that will take me away from ED. On the other hand, i will get tired of ED eventually, and the i'll be looking for a new main game. But it might not be a space game.
As much as I love space games, i'm not locked into the genre.
If you're into FPS games, try out Shadow Warrior 2 and Doom 2016. You will not be disappointed, 2016 was an amazing year for the genre.
