If this happens you know the most popular mod will be to make your CMDR naked, right?
[O.A. VIDEO] Does Elite Dangerous Have a Content Problem?
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If this happens you know the most popular mod will be to make your CMDR naked, right?
My god, it's full of richards!!
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Actually I am with you and I think like you.
But still, it is not easy to come up with a good idea of new content in the game. Just saying "others will do" is not content at all. It stays speculative.
What I say is, we, the community (I know, not all), don't present good ideas of new content. Thats not true in this strictness, but it is true in a general sense. We complain about lack of content, but there is not much content proposals here. Not much means very little.
Yes, I can easily produce ideas of new content, but I can not easily produce ideas of content which are realistic and possible to implement in a reasonable way of costs and effort and still bring good "content" into the game. And there is more: "content" is a very general word. Try to define what is ment by "content". I fail.
Well, it's easy for those two things to go hand in hand.
After a while, much of the repetitiveness will become painfully obvious.
Exactly this.
Loads of content! Unfulfilling interaction with content. Mechanics (and therefore by proxy the repetitive, short gameplay loops that lead to people feeling grinds) need work. Content makes a game world, the game world in ED is massive, rich and beautiful so it must have masses of content. How you interact with that world is where it starts to get ropey.
FDEV are superb at world building. Fdev aren't as great at polishing satisfying loops.
FDEV are superb at world building. Fdev aren't as great at polishing satisfying loops.
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By not very long I mean ~1000 hours, if it all became unplayable tomorrow due to repetitiveness, I would have still gotten 10 times more fun from this game than I ever expected, but I think I've seen enough to know what's in store for the next 1,000 hours (regardless of new things to come), and don't see myself tiring any time soon.
The problem with the ideas with allowing this game to be modded, is that the modders cannot change the design of the server system supporting it. Yes, there could be client side mods, of HUD's or ships, but the base gameplay is always going to feel disjointed, unattached, because the server model only allows for one type of gameplay....competitive bucket filling. It really is all the game is based on.
Why is PVP a sideshow? It has not bucket to fill.
Why is the game 'grindy'? You are just filling a different buckets...the basic mechanic of gameplay is the same...do something bring it back to the station...
My opinion of mods for games is that the mods are only as good as the modders supporting it and how well the mods work with the games design...Spore was a moddable game...and the game, its systems, and the community could not save that from the poor design.
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looking at the beyond timeline for (gameplay fixes and new mechanics) there is this Player codex, that peaked my curiosity, because it heavily hints at player-driven narrative.
I'm stunned to see Squadrons being the first discussion, and it's move towards player owned facilities, and (hopefully) they will have "upkeep" progress bars for fuel, and raw materials, so jumping a Squadron ship into deep space, will require miners and explorers(with prospecting scanners) to keep those things flying..
For player factions and BGS players, I guess one of these things will be a "must".
A squadron home-base, will of course been a staple of the fuel rats, who can then keep a base far away to service the stranded players and even those who think being stranded in a system by the latest c&p was some oversite. (fix is in the pipeline in the form of squadron ships.)
I'm stunned to see Squadrons being the first discussion, and it's move towards player owned facilities, and (hopefully) they will have "upkeep" progress bars for fuel, and raw materials, so jumping a Squadron ship into deep space, will require miners and explorers(with prospecting scanners) to keep those things flying..
For player factions and BGS players, I guess one of these things will be a "must".
A squadron home-base, will of course been a staple of the fuel rats, who can then keep a base far away to service the stranded players and even those who think being stranded in a system by the latest c&p was some oversite. (fix is in the pipeline in the form of squadron ships.)
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Having just found the external sites that already do this type of thing (INARA, EDDB, etc.), it will be nice to have this within the game. As far as squadrons and the squadron ships, I am looking forward to the upcoming design discussion that will be burning up these forums when they get added...
I think it's the first discussion because it likely has the most question marks for FD. Plus they don't have the best track record with doing multiplayer all that well in ED.
I just hope Squadrons doesn't become the main focus of Q4 and overshadow the exploration and mining updates.
Indeed. Just imagine the bobbleheads we might end up with.
It's one of the first public discussions of how the devs are looking at one of the most basic design ideas of the game, no hegemonic player control. Many see control as a must (only available in Open, only available to squadron members, usable for conquest in systems..as well as control within systems)...the design and implementation of this feature, is going to make, or break, this game for a lot of people....
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Half baked RNG repetitive content with no actual depth to it doesn't count as actual real content, it's just smoke and mirror and a poor excuse for real deep player and story driven content.
I don't want to learn about the green alien puddle or spend the next months looking for it after I found out from CMDR Deepchokingballs69 on a forum board.
I don't want to learn about the green alien puddle or spend the next months looking for it after I found out from CMDR Deepchokingballs69 on a forum board.
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I don't doubt you, and I don't have any numbers to back this up, but I think the exploration update is going to make-or-break the game for a lot of people as well.
I like to fly space ships around in an open universe. Elite scratches that itch for me and has since the 80's.
It feels a little weird for people with 1000's of hours of playing time to complain about lack of content. Why are you playing this game so much instead of another game?
I think we all have ideas that could make the game better. However the devs made a game with realistic scope. Is StarCitizen a finished product yet? It has a lot of the ideas that I've heard people ask for in Elite.
Take breaks from the game if feeling burned out. I stopped playing for two months to play through Subnautica. It was an awesome experience and now I'm back to Elite and feeling refreshed.
It feels a little weird for people with 1000's of hours of playing time to complain about lack of content. Why are you playing this game so much instead of another game?
I think we all have ideas that could make the game better. However the devs made a game with realistic scope. Is StarCitizen a finished product yet? It has a lot of the ideas that I've heard people ask for in Elite.
Take breaks from the game if feeling burned out. I stopped playing for two months to play through Subnautica. It was an awesome experience and now I'm back to Elite and feeling refreshed.
I don't want the moon. I would like to land on it however. We are all on Earth. I've done basically nothing related to Earth or the moon except visit it... from space. I cannot develop much care, even fake care, for planets in systems I've never heard of IRL.
You have to admit though, that guy knows his stuff. He's got all the ins and outs of the "game" as it were.
There is more content in Elite than I'll ever be able to get through. Granted that this is due in large part to gated content, and unnecessary grind. *cue the "what grind?" brigade*
The problem is a lack of cohesion and purpose to it all. Did somebody say sign-posts?
I gave the Guardians a miss. Not through lack of interest, just that I made the decision to stop looking outside the game for clues to finding the content. If FDev can't figure out a way to get me there through a normal game cycle, I'm not going to bother with it. It might be there in game, and me not playing enough to stumble across it yet though.
Then there's the half-baked content like Power Play. Surely there is some way of introducing a dynamic that doesn't involve more repetitive gameplay?
Did they give up on CQC? They could actually get people using it if they filled it with NPCs, so that you could figure out the maps in a less intense environment. Or how about giving player control over it, like joining a friend or friends in your own instance? How about letting players create their own leagues which they could invite people to join? Or create their own tournaments? Or how about having a Global leader board? You can bet your behind that an ego magnet like that would draw a bunch of players in. I wouldn't be surprised if they did this, that there would be players who only play Elite for CQC. Sure, there would probably be a certain amount of toxicity, but even water will become toxic if you allow it to stagnate for long enough.
The problem is a lack of cohesion and purpose to it all. Did somebody say sign-posts?
I gave the Guardians a miss. Not through lack of interest, just that I made the decision to stop looking outside the game for clues to finding the content. If FDev can't figure out a way to get me there through a normal game cycle, I'm not going to bother with it. It might be there in game, and me not playing enough to stumble across it yet though.
Then there's the half-baked content like Power Play. Surely there is some way of introducing a dynamic that doesn't involve more repetitive gameplay?
Did they give up on CQC? They could actually get people using it if they filled it with NPCs, so that you could figure out the maps in a less intense environment. Or how about giving player control over it, like joining a friend or friends in your own instance? How about letting players create their own leagues which they could invite people to join? Or create their own tournaments? Or how about having a Global leader board? You can bet your behind that an ego magnet like that would draw a bunch of players in. I wouldn't be surprised if they did this, that there would be players who only play Elite for CQC. Sure, there would probably be a certain amount of toxicity, but even water will become toxic if you allow it to stagnate for long enough.
I disagree. The problem here is that "content" in Elite means something different than in, for instance, a story driven RPG.
I'd say if one needs "content" in Elite to have fun, they just didn't get it.
So aside from the fact that I find ridiculous that someone who spent thousands of hours in the game is complaining that they "ran out of things to do", I think that the only thing Elite needs are mechanics. Deeper exploration mechanics, deeper mining mechanics, combat is fine, maybe the trading would use a little boost though with the new 3.0 stuff it's already much better. All these things are coming, though.
Elite for me will never be a game. It's more like an interactive LARP engine. So only thing I really need are more tools. Not "content".
I'd say if one needs "content" in Elite to have fun, they just didn't get it.
So aside from the fact that I find ridiculous that someone who spent thousands of hours in the game is complaining that they "ran out of things to do", I think that the only thing Elite needs are mechanics. Deeper exploration mechanics, deeper mining mechanics, combat is fine, maybe the trading would use a little boost though with the new 3.0 stuff it's already much better. All these things are coming, though.
Elite for me will never be a game. It's more like an interactive LARP engine. So only thing I really need are more tools. Not "content".
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