Modes Open mode balancing proposal

[Robert Maynard]

It was intentional for them to have its sole use as a salt mining tool. Gotcha.

Indeed - it was, according to DBOBE, expected / hoped to be "rare and meaningful" - then players got involved and we have what we have (and what some predicted would happen).

 

[CMDR EDGEL0RD]

Indeed - it was, according to DBOBE, expected / hoped to be "rare and meaningful" - then players got involved and we have what we have (and what some predicted would happen).

Maybe just people which had nothing to do with MMO started to design one.
No offence - but some decisions are rather naive. And even if they went full populist on KS, they should move on from things they did cause of that.

 

[Robert Maynard]

Maybe just people which had nothing to do with MMO started to design one.
No offence - but some decisions are rather naive. And even if they went full populist on KS, they should move on from things they did cause of that.

Possibly - the lack of a PvE mode is a significant omission that could be corrected. It's not likely to be now though.

Whether the decisions were naive, or not, depends on the type of game that Frontier were aiming for - and they clearly weren't aiming for a game that forced direct PvP on any player.

 

[CMDR EDGEL0RD]

Possibly - the lack of a PvE mode is a significant omission that could be corrected. It's not likely to be now though.

Whether the decisions were naive, or not, depends on the type of game that Frontier were aiming for - and they clearly weren't aiming for a game that forced direct PvP on any player.

More like, lack of rewards is forcing direct PvE on every player. If that is not true - no one would be arguing about bonus for open being necessary at all, and no one would be arguing against it.

 

[Cowboy Bats]

It was intentional for them to have its sole use as a salt mining tool. Gotcha.

See, that's the beauty of it Algo. You only get to mine the salt from those stupid enough to fly in the mines. I for one have no problem with you destroying all the sidewinders and haulers you can find. They chose the mode and by doing so, they chose to deal with you and your ilk. That's their problem. I'm years into the game and salt free. It's a beautiful thing.

 

[ALGOMATIC]

See, that's the beauty of it Algo. You only get to mine the salt from those stupid enough to fly in the mines. I for one have no problem with you destroying all the sidewinders and haulers you can find. They chose the mode and by doing so, they chose to deal with you and your ilk. That's their problem. I'm years into the game and salt free. It's a beautiful thing.

It doesn't change the fact that there is no point in PvP except salt. So they either remove it (which they won't) or give it purpose (most likely this option).

 

[Roybe]

It doesn't change the fact that there is no point in PvP except salt. So they either remove it (which they won't) or give it purpose (most likely this option).

...or they do nothing, which is what they have done the past 5 years! I know where I place my money!

 

[Roybe]

Some of us actually like the game we researched and purchased. You know, the one with an open universe where organic PvP is the norm, and PvP flags are not a part of the game.



Instancing is mostly OK, but people get frustrated with it because they do not understand how it works.

It would be nice if I didn't get instanced with someone halfway around the world because he's pals with a guy I know, but one can't expect everything to be perfect.



For something that doesn't matter, it sure generates a lot of forum drama.

Pretty much for the same reason you state! LOL

 

[Mouse]

Well, if you are not making your life easier by disabling people shooting at you whatsoever, then PP pledge provides reasons to attack you for larger amount of people. And I had given enough proof for a thing which is that obvious.




PP should cease to be full-on PvE tasks they are now. Or nerfed by a 75% margin when you are at PvE mode.
And PF should get mechanisms to defend themselves first. Current state of things where you can bother a group of people without risking anything is simply a legalised griefing and should be fixed.

Also there should be some filters for instancing with PvE Openers, as it can be immersion breaking.

Ahh another "immersion" player claiming PVE can break their immersion... do you wipe your commander and start over after a death? No? If not then immersion is already out the window. Next excuse?


As for PP... I can see PP getting merits... as long as those in Solo (where I don't play you cannot claim I am doing it for "me") get double merits. Why you ask? Because in PGs and in OPEN there will be two ways to get merits while in Solo there is only one.

 

[Agony_Aunt]

It doesn't change the fact that there is no point in PvP except salt. So they either remove it (which they won't) or give it purpose (most likely this option).

Some people see the point of PvP being a challenge. I've heard it said many times people PvP because they can't get a challenge from the NPCs. Those people seek out good opponents. I salute those people.

Some people look to generate salt by taking on targets that don't stand a chance of winning. I do not salute those people and hope they get blocked by everyone except those like themselves and end up in an empty galaxy.

Maybe that is why some people argue so strongly for changes that get more people in open... they are running out of easy targets.

 

[ALGOMATIC]

Ahh another "immersion" player claiming PVE can break their immersion... do you wipe your commander and start over after a death? No? If not then immersion is already out the window. Next excuse?


As for PP... I can see PP getting merits... as long as those in Solo (where I don't play you cannot claim I am doing it for "me") get double merits. Why you ask? Because in PGs and in OPEN there will be two ways to get merits while in Solo there is only one.

Lol, fighting with cmdrs is not the same as fighting npcs. Npc kill takes a minute max, cmdr kill (if you are gud) is what... 20min and thats considering he didnt wake.

 

[Goose4291]

Ahh another "immersion" player claiming PVE can break their immersion... do you wipe your commander and start over after a death? No? If not then immersion is already out the window. Next excuse?


As for PP... I can see PP getting merits... as long as those in Solo (where I don't play you cannot claim I am doing it for "me") get double merits. Why you ask? Because in PGs and in OPEN there will be two ways to get merits while in Solo there is only one.

I'm fairly sure you didn't have such an issue with the 'Immersion' argument that was used as a thinly disguised griefer fear excuse for opposing instant ship transfers.

 

[Mouse]

I'm fairly sure you didn't have such an issue with the 'Immersion' argument that was used as a thinly disguised griefer fear excuse for opposing instant ship transfers.

I am pretty sure I never said I wanted "insta ship" transfers, because I don't. If I did say it I was being stupid. We fly all that way.. then somehow we can just "transfer" ships their instantly... bad enough they get there far faster then it took to get there. And If you notice They are the ones complaining about "immersion" yet have no issue with it when they die and come back about right where they were...

 

[Mouse]

Lol, fighting with cmdrs is not the same as fighting npcs. Npc kill takes a minute max, cmdr kill (if you are gud) is what... 20min and thats considering he didnt wake.

You are right fighting commanders is not like fighting NPCs...

This took less than a minute to find

[video=youtube;oUrGTZQcjj4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUrGTZQcjj4[/video]

 

[Jockey79]

Ability to godmode yourself has nothing to do with what I am claming about being higher profile target. It means that it is not working as intended because of godmodding.
And those unshielded cutters and t9s should get shields and escorts and attack my interests in Open.

"Godmode" does not exist, you can die in any mode - please stop trolling.

As for how others want to play, if someone wants to play without shields, that's up to them not you.

And for what you claimed, was false. People are only "higher profile" if they want to be - it's not automatic, it's a choice.

 

[Robert Maynard]

More like, lack of rewards is forcing direct PvE on every player. If that is not true - no one would be arguing about bonus for open being necessary at all, and no one would be arguing against it.

The vast majority of the game is PvE (potentially indirect PvP) - just as the vast majority of the galaxy is devoid of other players. This is not a game where players can be guaranteed to be present to offer content for others.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Indeed - it was, according to DBOBE, expected / hoped to be "rare and meaningful" - then players got involved and we have what we have (and what some predicted would happen).

Elite never had any core mechanism that actively supported cooperative gameplay, while my take on Braben's vission was an MMO where players cooperated but occasionally found themselves at odds which would lead to rare and meaningful PvP. You can't leave it to the players to make this happen. If you do, it will descent into might makes right. Luckily the modes prevent manditory partition in this ing contest.

By the way. Some time ago posters in the PvP section were complaining about the influx of PvE players there. So many of them started discussing here. And whaddaya know the complainers now are as well. I guess they were playing hard to get and secretely have the hots for us. All I can say is, the feeling is mutual [heart]

 

[ALGOMATIC]

You are right fighting commanders is not like fighting NPCs...

This took less than a minute to find

Ok and now try and do it against 10 others and not against one cmdr who has no idea how to outfit a ship.

 

[ALGOMATIC]

Elite never had any core mechanism that actively supported cooperative gameplay, while my take on Braben's vission was an MMO where players cooperated but occasionally found themselves at odds which would lead to rare and meaningful PvP. You can't leave it to the players to make this happen. If you do, it will descent into might makes right. Luckily the modes prevent manditory partition in this ing contest.

By the way. Some time ago posters in the PvP section were complaining about the influx of PvE players there. So many of them started discussing here. And whaddaya know the complainers now are as well. I guess they were playing hard to get and secretely have the hots for us. All I can say is, the feeling is mutual [heart]

The complains is not against the PVE posters but against dumb carebear threads like "why pvp is not popular hurr durr" or "block anyone hurr durr".

 

[Agony_Aunt]

Lol, fighting with cmdrs is not the same as fighting npcs. Npc kill takes a minute max, cmdr kill (if you are gud) is what... 20min and thats considering he didnt wake.

I die to NPCs somtimes. Granted, some of those times are due to getting tunnel vision, or just refusing to back down because i'm sure i can take them, but hey ho, that's life when you don't fly a top end ship, NPCs become a challenge for some of us. Still prefer flying a Cobra to the bigger ships. Makes NPCs a challenge.