Are you saying noone "played" the BGS until AFTER PFMs were added to the game, or before FD mentioned they might add them?
If so, I suggest you go to the BGS forum and make that claim, and see how it goes for you.
If so, I suggest you go to the BGS forum and make that claim, and see how it goes for you.
A mistake, any game mechanic that pits players against each other in anyway shouldn't be able to allow players to go unchecked which solo and pg do. It's unfortunate they couldn't do a offline mode so people who play multiplayer and those who play solo aren't constantly at odds with each other over the direction of the game.
Robert Maynard
Volunteer Moderator
Entirely deliberate, no mistake - every player both experiencing and affecting the single shared galaxy state has been the intended game experience for players from the outset - over five years ago.
Solo and Private Groups were announced at the same time as Open - Offline mode was added to the scope about halfway through the Kickstarter (but, sadly, cancelled prior to release).
Aye, indeed it may have been unintentional- but penalizing a whole group of players who are simply doing what the game encourages them to do is also unfortunate.
Do two wrongs make a right?
(Three rights may make a left...)
I'm all for changes that don't subtract from one group and simply give to another. Balance it in some way by replacing it with another feature, and I'll have a serious look.
True but offline was cancelled because David Braben decided he wanted to jam the BGS and his shared galaxy down everyones throat including those that backed with the intent of playing offline only which is why we had Offline Gate.
I highly suspect much of this was heavily influenced by David Braben not wanting people in offline modding or hacking the snot out of ED and making the game "online" well....achieves this nicely.
People play the BGS whenever they interact with it whether it's intentional or by just doing stuff they enjoy.
Let's get back on topic as i think most agree that the BGS should not be open only.
No, they are not "playing" the BGS. They likely have no clue what the BGS is or that they are impacting it.
"Playing" the BGS is done with intent. PMF, people that support a MF, people who support a gov type, or their PP, are "playing" the BGS.
And the BGS is in the OP, so the reality is BGS discussion is on topic.
So it's probably best if you left the forum policing to the mods.
I totally agree, but geting FD to implement anything they are not personally invested in on such a restricted maintenance budget frankly is blue sky and thinking, save your breath man.
Sterling MH
Banned
OK, so they're not changing your galaxy either then and their actions in Solo are fine and dandy with no problems for you, right?
I think there is a difference between solo players impacting the BGS by regular gameplay versus solo players impacting the BGS by nuking stations. But that is just me.
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Sterling MH
Banned
Actually if you go back over his older interviews after Frontier on PC, you'll find that he mostly griped about what people were doing with "his" game, as if they had some right to play it or something. And so he most likely made it always online so he can control what we can do with "his" game.
Its a linguistics thing. He means 'actively focussing on the BGS' versus 'having an impact while you just play the game without focussing on the BGS'. And I hope you somehow didnt understand this rather than intentionally take his words out of context to score cheap internet points.
Sterling MH
Banned
Nope. My words are all there for you to see, no ghosting by changing the font colour. Go read.
how do you work that out ?, made it to be an online game .... it started in the 80s
Sterling MH
Banned
Look up at the title bar of your window. Read the text there.
I still hve the original manual for the Speccy version and bought it because my mate had the C64 version and I'd played on it.
So how do you work that out?
The BGS is the game. Without it missions and everything else that goes with it is pointless. So yes people do play the BGS as that I what generates 99% of the gameplay.
Whenever anyone interacts with the BGS they are playing it. What they may not be doing is pushing a faction or manipulating it for a specific purpose, but they are still playing it.
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I may completely misunderstand your point, but AEDC has played the BGS from day one, and has now supported a number of specific procedural minor factions for over three years, well before there were PMFs.
In fact, one of our factions (unfortunately not all, another got 4 PMFs inserted in its territory in the last round) is officially recognized by FDev as our PMF, and retains its original procedural name. In recognition that we supported that faction from the launch of the game, before PMFs were even being discussed, let alone implemented.
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Sterling MH
Banned
Day one they had a forum on Reddit(?, no idea, but irrelevant, it wasn't in ED officially). They didn't have a PMF added into the game at that time.
There is no (effective) direct way in the BGS to beat an opponent or stop them from doing anything. Imagine for a moment the BGS was Open only:
You can try to blockade a system, but you'd just be wasting your time. You may catch one or two, but if the opponent gets a few ships through, you've lost. A CMDR could fly to any station in the system, pick up delivery only missions, and never return to the source system until he picks up more missions the next day, or hours later.
Meanwhile, any time waiting for, interdicting and fighting targets, your opponents are dropping bounties, bonds, explo, missions, etc.
Try to so this against a large player group that are all friends together, and you're not. If we're out in force, you just won't instance with us.
The BGS is transaction based. The one who puts in the transactions wins. The one who waits in super cruise or around a station to stop the transaction from happening, loses.
By all means, for fun and role play, have some PvP fun. We often do during BGS battles. But with the full understanding that it is the fun break, in between the work to put in the transactions.
All modes are equal, when it comes to the BGS