Not just Powerplay actions should be restricted to Open!

[Sylveria]

It's already "out there" so to speak that ED has/is taking its 1st step toward going PVP open mode only. One step tends always to lead to the next.

This should be fun to watch

Given with his latest clarification of intent in the PP Focused Feedback- he's basically created a firm stance that there are no BGS changes "or anything else".

Indeed, it will be fun to watch- because now that he's committed himself in the way of proposing PP changes, he can only either backpedal or move forward. Changes being proposed that affect huge numbers of customers that are contrary to how the game was originally advertised is a very "reckless" approach, IMO. Like it or not... the advertisement of this game is completely saturated with phrases like "alone or with others".

That's why I've advised caution moving forward- because if they start removing features without balancing them in some other way, they're likely going to see unintended consequences.

 

[Abil Midena]

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I don't need to. I have been doing the BGS since the game has launched and know exactly what it is about and what it is meant for. You obviously do not.

The BGS is not about player factions. If you want that gameplay, powerplay is the way to go. It's mechanics are especially designed for PvP.

The BGS is all about players creating a moving and dynamic galaxy for other players to enjoy. Whether you are in open, a PG or solo or a member of a player faction is irrelevant.

I know very well what the BGS is about and what it's meant for, but I also acknowledge how it's used, or "played" by many. The fact that you admit you also play the BGS, which you simultaneously claim that it's not made for, but refuse to admit it's used that way is astounding.

"The BGS is not about player factions." Wrong. The BGS includes means for player factions to support their own, and impair others, including other PMF. That's PVP by definition. Just admit it.

"If you want that gameplay, powerplay is the way to go. It's mechanics are especially designed for PvP.". Don't tell others how to play. Many clearly want the greater depth of BGS PVP, and choose that rather than PP.

"The BGS is all about players creating a moving and dynamic galaxy for other players to enjoy." Great opinion. The reality is that it was, as stated by Dav, a way to make the galaxy *appear* fluid. That means player actions created state changes that changed some minor details with things like cz's, price changes, etc. The reality is that it is also about PMF's using BGS mechanics to promote their MF and at times, reduce other PMF, or adopted factions, or favored governments, or to help their PP group.

 

[CMDR BOSLEY]

Better - Let's split Elite into two separate games - one that entirely Open Only that the Open Only players can play, and one without Open that everyone else can play.
Elite: Open Only will only connect to Elite: Open Only, and Elite: Everyone Else will only connect to Everyone Else. Each can have its own BGS and neither is more "Official" than the other. Accounts do not transfer between the two, so once you pick one, that's where you stay.

How about separate forums, and developnent team too while we're at it. lol

 

[Sylveria]

I know very well what the BGS is about and what it's meant for, but I also acknowledge how it's used, or "played" by many. The fact that you admit you also play the BGS, which you simultaneously claim that it's not made for, but refuse to admit it's used that way is astounding.

"The BGS is not about player factions." Wrong. The BGS includes means for player factions to support their own, and impair others, including other PMF. That's PVP by definition. Just admit it.

"If you want that gameplay, powerplay is the way to go. It's mechanics are especially designed for PvP.". Don't tell others how to play. Many clearly want the greater depth of BGS PVP, and choose that rather than PP.

"The BGS is all about players creating a moving and dynamic galaxy for other players to enjoy." Great opinion. The reality is that it was, as stated by Dav, a way to make the galaxy *appear* fluid. That means player actions created state changes that changed some minor details with things like cz's, price changes, etc. The reality is that it is also about PMF's using BGS mechanics to promote their MF and at times, reduce other PMF, or adopted factions, or favored governments, or to help their PP group.

The BGS existed at release. Before Player Factions did.

The BGS is tied to almost everything a player does- intentionally or not.

If you really know "what the BGS is about" then you'd also know this.

 

[CMDR BOSLEY]

The BGS existed at release. Before Player Factions did.

The BGS is tied to almost everything a player does- intentionally or not.

If you really know "what the BGS is about" then you'd also know this.

Players support non PMFs too, now and before PMFs existed and played the BGS against each other. So what is the point you're making?

 

[Sylveria]

Players support non PMFs too, now and before PMFs existed and played the BGS against each other. So what is the point you're making?

The point I'm making is that the BGS was introduced from release- not with the addition of Player Made Factions.

The intention was that the BGS being the "heart" of the game, was designed to be affected by all modes- whether players be joined to a "faction" or not.

Alone or with others.

 

[Abil Midena]

The BGS existed at release. Before Player Factions did.

The BGS is tied to almost everything a player does- intentionally or not.

If you really know "what the BGS is about" then you'd also know this.

I do know all that, and have stated so before.

 

[Sylveria]

I do know all that, and have stated so before.

Then you admit the BGS existed before PMF's then.

 

[Abil Midena]

Then you admit the BGS existed before PMF's then.

Please go back and read my posts, both here and in other recent BGS/PP/FFF threads. It will save both of us from repeating ourselves.

 

[Siranui]

Just my opinion.

Clearly; because it fails to account for the majority of players.

But as long as you're happy, I'm sure that FD can do without the revenue to continue developing the game after more than half the player base leaves, if the 'MAKE EVERYTHING OPEN AND STUFF THE PRIVATE PLAYERS AND TAKE THEIR STUFF AWAY' crowd have their way.

Ultimately, selfishly dictating how you think other people can play the game is detrimental to yourself. Less players = less development.

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

I know very well what the BGS is about and what it's meant for, but I also acknowledge how it's used, or "played" by many. The fact that you admit you also play the BGS, which you simultaneously claim that it's not made for, but refuse to admit it's used that way is astounding.

Why can't people just be honest. I have never refused to admit it's been used in that way and never have. Why do people need to stoop so low just lie on the forums about people. Please be honest.

"The BGS is not about player factions." Wrong. The BGS includes means for player factions to support their own, and impair others, including other PMF. That's PVP by definition. Just admit it.

Not it is not about player factions. Yes you can used it for that which is fine and dandy by the way and it is In-direct PvP which I have been saying all along.

"If you want that gameplay, powerplay is the way to go. It's mechanics are especially designed for PvP.". Don't tell others how to play. Many clearly want the greater depth of BGS PVP, and choose that rather than PP.

Powerplay is designed for Direct PvP, it is entirely what it is there for, it is it's primary focus. Forcing the BGS in to open only forcing people to play in a way they don't want to and forcing direct PvP on to players, that will you telling people how to play. The BGS faction play is not about direct PvP but In-direct PvP with direct PvP being purely optional. I have been saying this from the word go, but you just seem to ignore it or you are not reading my posts and to honest I really don't care anymore as you seem not care about anybody elses gameplay but your own.

"The BGS is all about players creating a moving and dynamic galaxy for other players to enjoy." Great opinion. The reality is that it was, as stated by Dav, a way to make the galaxy *appear* fluid. That means player actions created state changes that changed some minor details with things like cz's, price changes, etc. The reality is that it is also about PMF's using BGS mechanics to promote their MF and at times, reduce other PMF, or adopted factions, or favored governments, or to help their PP group.c

Pushing player factions is what creates a moving and dynamic (fluid) galaxy for other players to play in, whether that is with other player factions or roving players that contribute in small ways of their own to the ever changing BGS in any mode they see fit.

I would like a deeper BGS and faction play, but forcing it into open play and forcing direct PvP onto people will not make it any deeper. It will make the people that don't want that kind of play to leave and there are a lot of them. That is why I am saying if you want direct PvP gameplay, there is a system right there for you called powerplay. But the choice is your. Play the BGS factions game which is mainly indirect PvP or direct PvP by choice by both parties or you can play Powerplay which is designed from the ground up for direct PvP which will likely be a much better direct PvP experience if it does go open only.

Those are the choices in the game. Forcing the BGS faction play into open only reduces the choices people have to play with, it being direct PvP or direct PvP. In reality it is you that wants to force people into playing the way you want them to play by making the BGS open only.

If you cannot see that, then you have some issues mate.

 

[CMDR Ivana Kolchak]

Delete both PG and SOLO.

#DayoftheREEEbuy

 

[Sylveria]

Please go back and read my posts, both here and in other recent BGS/PP/FFF threads. It will save both of us from repeating ourselves.

"The BGS is not about player factions." Wrong. The BGS includes means for player factions to support their own, and impair others, including other PMF. That's PVP by definition. Just admit it.

It was never intended to be "about" player factions. Yet you explicitly state the intention was directed toward player factions.

No, it is you who are wrong here- and if you review the original videos regarding David Braben explaining how the BGS works, you'd know this.

If a player is in Solo there is no PvP. Yet the BGS was designed from the start to be affected by ANY mode, including Solo.

Which makes your entire point irrelevant.

Next?

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

Delete both PG and SOLO.

#DayoftheREEEbuy

Can we delete open mode too then. If you did delete those, then it would be by by ED for everyone. It would be financial suicide for ED as half the population would most likely leave and not come back.

 

[Abil Midena]

It was never intended to be "about" player factions. Yet you explicitly state the intention was directed toward player factions.

No, it is you who are wrong here- and if you review the original videos regarding David Braben explaining how the BGS works, you'd know this.

If a player is in Solo there is no PvP. Yet the BGS was designed from the start to be affected by ANY mode, including Solo.

Which makes your entire point irrelevant.

Next?

You need to reread the post you quoted me on. I said "The BGS includes means for player factions to support their own, and impair others, including other PMF. That's PVP by definition. Just admit it."

I did NOT "... explicitly state the intention was directed toward player factions."

 

[Sterling MH]

See it’s threads like these is why people can bring up the slippery slope argument. The OP is advocating for even more things to be restricted all because one thing is being talked about becoming restricted and exclusive to a mode.

Even dafter is that while this thread exists, twenty more will have openonly acolytes insisting that there is no such thing as a slippery slope here.

 

[Sterling MH]

Players support non PMFs too, now and before PMFs existed and played the BGS against each other. So what is the point you're making?

But not before FD made PMFs. Your claim is just about how people got on discord et al and formed a private club outside the game. When the BGS is done on a reddit forum, then your point is valid.

 

[lostagain]

Delete both PG and SOLO.

#DayoftheREEEbuy

Then, it's time to delete game.

 

[Abil Midena]

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Powerplay is designed for Direct PvP, it is entirely what it is there for, it is it's primary focus. Forcing the BGS in to open only forcing people to play in a way they don't want to and forcing direct PvP on to players, that will you telling people how to play. The BGS faction play is not about direct PvP but In-direct PvP with direct PvP being purely optional. I have been saying this from the word go, but you just seem to ignore it or you are not reading my posts and to honest I really don't care anymore as you seem not care about anybody elses gameplay but your own.


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I would like a deeper BGS and faction play, but forcing it into open play and forcing direct PvP onto people will not make it any deeper. It will make the people that don't want that kind of play to leave and there are a lot of them. That is why I am saying if you want direct PvP gameplay, there is a system right there for you called powerplay. But the choice is your. Play the BGS factions game which is mainly indirect PvP or direct PvP by choice by both parties or you can play Powerplay which is designed from the ground up for direct PvP which will likely be a much better direct PvP experience if it does go open only.

Those are the choices in the game. Forcing the BGS faction play into open only reduces the choices people have to play with, it being direct PvP or direct PvP. In reality it is you that wants to force people into playing the way you want them to play by making the BGS open only.

If you cannot see that, then you have some issues mate.

I'm not going to quote myself, even though I have said I don't want the BGS to go Open Only, several times.

I think it's best to just stop replying to your opinions and comments. So have a nice day.

 

[Space Dandy]

I posted this as a response to Sandro's thread, but it needs discussion here where normal replies can be made without incurring the wrath of breaking that Feedback section's rules..

Hi Sandro. I did some research.

Waaaaay back in Newsletter #72, Powerplay information was released on the 23rd April 2015.

https://us2.campaign-archive.com/?u=dcbf6b86b4b0c7d1c21b73b1e&id=b0a8ebba0b

In that newsletter, there is a quote from you...



So yes, when Powerplay was designed, sure, part of the reasoning behind it was to give players a reason to engage in PvP. That's obvious.

But you also took players who don't play in Open into account - right from the birth of Powerplay - and that is the product a lot of your customers bought into.

To remove that content from users of the "Solo" and "Private Group" game client connectivity mode/filter after 3 years is, frankly, just not cricket, old chap.

Also this dispels this recent disinformation I've been reading from a number of posters that Powerplay was introduced solely for direct PvP players only. I don't know why that lie has been propagated - it's simply not true; the statement "giving players a reason to engage in PvP" did not mean "Powerplay is PvP-only content" back then. It meant only that it gave players a reason or purpose for PvP.

Enough said I think.