Modes To Corvette in narri that merced me and my buddy for literally no reason then killing us as we fled

The block feature should only be used for people who are being foul, hateful or abusive in comms. Using it just to cull Open for players who fit your skill cap is just another exploit. Why not just play in group where you never have to equip or learn to fly in a controversial situation? Heck, if you're going to spam the block button every time someone looks your way, why not just hit save & quit just to skip the formalities?

Jason, jason, jason....

How about you stop telling people how to play the game, and start playing the game you want, without the need of others? If you can't enjoy Elite in Solo play, Elite isn't the game for you... how about that?
 
I got a question everyone. Do you feel it's worse to get spaced by an npc or a cmdr?
I would have hoped getting interdicted by a CMDR would be more fun. But it isn't. Being interdicted by a CMDR is more boring than being interdicted by an NPC. At least the NPC regurgitates some pre-programmed lines that at least try to be on topic. A CMDR goes pew pew pew, and that's it.
 
It is not a matter of who kills you as much as how they go about it, there are limits that some CMDRs cross but NPCs do not and there in lies the rub. There are some PvPers in these forums that do not accept that there are limits to what is considered acceptable PvP behaviour (or in-game behaviour relating to direct interactions with other CMDRs in general). Despite what they try to propagate, FD do not consider unconstrained PvP intended nor acceptable in general - this is covered by the EULA and ToS.

What?
That sounds like another lie to me.
"No reason at all" isn't open to such interpretation.




Further more, FD have tried to mitigate the more toxic PvP behaviours with both in-game reporting tools (since at least 1.4) and (as of 3.0) punitive C&P measures to discourage "seal clubbing" (and to a degree "salt mining") behaviours.


Lol, that was more to stop the farming of NPCs, ie PVE griefing.
They outright said so.


ED is also not a PvP focused title - it includes it and supports it - but it is not a primary goal of the gameplay - unlike COD/BF/Fortnite/PUBG/Quake and others.

Even GTA Online is subject to comparable PvP behaviour limitations (it is also not purely a PvP game) but in that game things are worse due to modding and cheating in general (which are reportable). In addition, unlike GTA Online, ED does not require players to play in Open (GTA has stuff locked behind Open gameplay that is not PvP specific) if they do not wish to be exposed to the more toxic PvP behaviours. In ED, player moderated Private Groups allow players to play with others and enforce their own code of conduct - be it PvE only or some other rule book. The Mobius private groups are a prime example of this.



Toxic is lying about the rules and the people who are playing the game as intended.

You might even say it's "common sense" that in a spaceship game where every ship comes with weapons, that you're expected to shoot at each other.
 
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Adam last week declared that it was exactly intention to make C&P universal not only players oriented.



Murder is not impossible, it is harder. What has been removed is the ability to farm sys security and murder at will. It is now essentially equivalent in time and effort to bounty hunting - with additional consequences for being naughty. Murder has been bgs balanced, it was massively OP.

I suspect the ATR effect has been turned up to 11 for the beta and will be tweaked downwards.

There are plenty ways to adversely effect the BGS other than murder.
Absolutely this ^^


https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...dversely-effect-the-way-we-manipulate-the-BGS
 
Typical spiel to be expected from griefers and griefer appologists :rolleye:...

Regardless of the OP's case, PvP is subject to reasonable behavioural restrictions - those restrictions are not spelled out explicitly in the EULA or ToS but common sense should tell any given individual whether they have crossed the line in terms of their actions. Those that do cross the line either have no common sense OR do not care - given the attitudes of some in these forums I am inclined think it may also be a mix of the two.

As for lying about the rules, far from it.
 
Lol.

Reasonable restrictions that no one really knows and aren’t apparently enforced in any way.

You people pick some weird hills to die on.
 
This thread has turned into nothing but name shaming and well alot of stupid talk. This had to do with me killing a player since he was a pp faction i was a enemy with. So enough of this nonsense talk and op please close this thread as it just keeps going on and on with nothing to do with the very first post.
 
Everyone should know what reasonable restrictions mean in the context of PvP behaviours in this kind of game, it is just common courtesy and common sense in a game like ED.

It is not something that any civilised person should need explaining to them.

Doesn't apply in a video game.
 
Lol.

Reasonable restrictions that no one really knows and aren’t apparently enforced in any way.

You people pick some weird hills to die on.

You mean those mythical rules that don't exist except in players heads & they are all different?

And they all depend on what side of the bed the player got out of, if they've had their morning coffee/beer, been to work etc...
 
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The rules are far from mythical nor do they essentially change in accordance with the mood of any given player.

I point at my earlier post wrt their fundamental nature. However, fundamentally while the rules are not easily parameterised or defined they are far from being fluid in terms of intent.

It doesn't really mean anything, you just leave it to interpretation based on common sense.

Common sense is a relative term, whatever makes sense to you might not make sense to me and vice versa.

The TOS is very clear on whats allowed or not when it comes to open play.
 
Typical spiel to be expected from griefers and griefer appologists :rolleye:...

Regardless of the OP's case, PvP is subject to reasonable behavioural restrictions - those restrictions are not spelled out explicitly in the EULA or ToS but common sense should tell any given individual whether they have crossed the line in terms of their actions. Those that do cross the line either have no common sense OR do not care - given the attitudes of some in these forums I am inclined think it may also be a mix of the two.

As for lying about the rules, far from it.


More lies, the lack of restrictions are explicitly spelled out.
 


See points #2 AND #5.

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Typical spiel to be expected from griefers and griefer appologists :rolleye:...


The "othering" above is the typical response of someone who has nothing else to stand on, aside from thinly veiled ad hominems and poisoning of the well.

Don't be fooled people!
 
See points #2 AND #5.
Nothing in that message actually counters what I have been saying.

The EULA counts as part of the "rules of the game" and there are prohibitions on behaviours which could constitute harassment - Griefing falls into that category, and habitual ganking could too (precise circumstances and context are everything).

Ultimately though, point 1 emphasises one of the other points I have made in this and similar threads (the merits of any given complaint are down to the relevant complaint assessment body to judge) and point 3 is a case of FD effectively deferring a lot of the responsibility for policing of behaviours to Microsoft for the Xbox platform (to at-least some degree).

Further more, it does not explicitly say PvP is unconstrained either - point 5 is not a license to engage in harassment of players using PvP.
 
Nothing in that message actually counters what I have been saying.

The EULA counts as part of the "rules of the game" and there are prohibitions on behaviours which could constitute harassment - Griefing falls into that category, and habitual ganking could too (precise circumstances and context are everything).

Ultimately though, point 1 emphasises one of the other points I have made in this and similar threads (the merits of any given complaint are down to the relevant complaint assessment body to judge) and point 3 is a case of FD effectively deferring a lot of the responsibility for policing of behaviours to Microsoft for the Xbox platform (to at-least some degree).

Further more, it does not explicitly say PvP is unconstrained either - point 5 is not a license to engage in harassment of players using PvP.


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This is called obfuscation people.

"No reason at all" is very clear.

"Rule violations" must be also explicit.

The above handwavium and logical fallacies change none of that.
 
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