Where was this actually explained? I’d like to read about it.
Delay in Deinonychus.
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Where was this actually explained? I’d like to read about it.
Read the dino protection site it explains a lot of information that fills in the gaps between movies and explains jp3 a lot.
Ok, thanks.
Look on the Dinosaur Protection Group website (www.dinosaurprotectiongroup.com), then look under reports for the report entitled "What Killed the Gene Guard Act?".
Am I the only one who doesn't mind the appearance of the Deinonychus in JWE?
Nah your not. I like it. Its different, especially since we already have the velociraptor all ready in the game, which basically looks like/ is a deinonychus anyway. I kinda like the head crest on the deino.
No you're not, I think it looks fine but I think many people just want the JP3 raptors in the game.
Hopefully Frontier can find a way to bring these in the game in the future.
I think a Utahraptor might not be such a bad idea to add to the game and give these the looks of the JP3 raptors.
Well - one major problem with the Deinonychus in JWE - is that the skull/head is outdated in it's design. The over all look of the skull/head seems to be based on the way Deinonychus was portrayed from the 1960's to mid 1980's. And it is inaccurate to how it now looks. No - I am not just talking about a lack of feathers either. Gregory Paul's (1988)reconstruction of "Velociraptor"/Deinonychus antirrhopus actual has the skull/head looking very similar to that of Velociraptor. In addition Scott Hartman's 2012 skeletonal reconstruction of Deinonychus - also has it was a more typical Velociraptorine type skull. Both make note - that the original type skull was slightly deformed - hence the reason - the original design was wrong.
The Original, outdated Deinonychus skull
The modern, more accurate Deinonychus skull
The Original, outdated Deinonychus skull
The modern, more accurate Deinonychus skull
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I would have thought the main major problem with the deinonychus in JWE or JP in general is that it is called velociraptor ? Am certainly not up to scratch on my JP/JW lore by any means but I though the raptor in JP/JW was a deinonchyus with a velociraptor label ?
At the end of tha day its a computer game with genetically engineered animals so I am not too fussed either way.
Well - I don't really have a problem with Deinonychus being the actual species which the JP/JW Velociraptors are based on.
First off - in the first movie - it really implies that the JP raptors are the same species which Dr. Grant's team had be digging up in Montana - which was "Velociraptor" antirhhoppus.
Second - when the JP novel was written and the first JP film was release - Deinonychus was basically known as "Velociraptor" antirrhopus.
So it would be accurate in JP/JW film canon to consider Deinonychus and the JP Velociraptor - one and the same species.
First off - in the first movie - it really implies that the JP raptors are the same species which Dr. Grant's team had be digging up in Montana - which was "Velociraptor" antirhhoppus.
Second - when the JP novel was written and the first JP film was release - Deinonychus was basically known as "Velociraptor" antirrhopus.
So it would be accurate in JP/JW film canon to consider Deinonychus and the JP Velociraptor - one and the same species.
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I also agree that they put the crest on the Deinonychus to make it more different from the Velociraptor. I'm also one of the few who thought the crest looked good on him. I just do not understand why there are people who are bothered by this crest. A little over half of Jurassic Park dinosaurs, including Velociraptor itself, are not scientifically accurate.
Because lots of people would rather see factual accuracy than fantasy; while people understand that they're sticking to movie lore for the animals seen in the movies, for everything else, there's no reason to deviate from factual accuracy...
For me Deinonychus got better with the crest than without it. Because it would have no difference with Velociraptor in the game, and would be very generic. This made the game more diverse. Use the example of Hadrosaurus, we have four of them confirmed so far, they can be the same in many ways, but they have their differences, and the more different dinosaurs, the better the game stays, is this makes the game less cloying. Imagine the Deinonychus in the game without the crest, it would only be a Raptor only that smaller.
I think the main reasons some people are bothered by this Deinonychus is that it exemplifies just how carefully Frontier had to tread to avoid messing with the lore. They wanted another raptor in the game, and Deinonychus is the most recognizable name. But the original JP Velociraptors are "V. antirrhopus," because at the time of the novel the placement of the genera was uncertain. By the time the movie came out, it was known that Deinonychus and Velociraptor were different things, but apparently it was a creative decision to name the animals Velociraptor, even though they were based on Deinonychus. So Frontier goes to add Deinonychus, but they can't, because that's what the (already wonky) JP raptors already are, so they have to make their Deinonychus even weirder.
I don't get it-- if Frontier has some creative leeway when making dinosaurs that haven't previously been featured in Jurassic franchise media, why didn't they just make Deinonychus a scaled version of the real thing? It would be smaller than Velociraptor and clearly much more gracile than the JP raptors. I assume they didn't pursue this route because all of the ancilliary material in the game describes the dinosaurs through our current understanding of them, like how Metriacanthosaurus is placed within its own group (the original JP Metriacanthosaurus was likely meant to be Yangchuanosaurus), or how Nodosaurus reflects the coloration we know Borealopelta had. So they couldn't portray Deinonychus at its accurate size, because the flavor text probably needed to address that it's related to the smaller Velociraptor.
I don't get it-- if Frontier has some creative leeway when making dinosaurs that haven't previously been featured in Jurassic franchise media, why didn't they just make Deinonychus a scaled version of the real thing? It would be smaller than Velociraptor and clearly much more gracile than the JP raptors. I assume they didn't pursue this route because all of the ancilliary material in the game describes the dinosaurs through our current understanding of them, like how Metriacanthosaurus is placed within its own group (the original JP Metriacanthosaurus was likely meant to be Yangchuanosaurus), or how Nodosaurus reflects the coloration we know Borealopelta had. So they couldn't portray Deinonychus at its accurate size, because the flavor text probably needed to address that it's related to the smaller Velociraptor.
This.
But very little about the Dinosaurs in JP are accurate to what they were like in real life.
I read through it and I didn't see anything about raptors mentioned. Just Ankylosaurus, Corythosaurus, Ceratosaurus and Spinosaurus. No mention of the raptors at all.
Well - Dilophosaurus' crest is represented in it's fossilized skull. And the Dilophosaurus' neck frill and ability to spit venom (black goo) is part of established JP movie canon, So it is perfectly acceptable for the game to portray Dilophosaurus as having a neck frill and give it the ability to spit venom.
Well - as I have stated before - the novel version of Velociraptor is stated By Dr. Wu to be Velociraptor mongoliensis, but is actually based on the giant species of Mongolian dromaeosaur - which became Achillobator. It is the first Jurassic Park which implies that the raptors are "Velociraptor" (Deinonychus) antirrhopus, all be it about 15-25% larger than the real Deinonychus was.
I agree as well. They could have made Deinonychus be smaller(~20-25%) than the JP Velociraptors. So Deinonychus would be about 3-3.5 meters/9.8-11.5 feet long. Maybe give Deinonychus feather quills on top of it's head and neck - like we see in JP3, and give a different skin coloration & pattern. Or maybe if Frontier had based Deinonychus on Crash McCreery's early concept drawings for the JP raptors.
Which look like this
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