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I saw Solo yesterday and I liked it a lot. Much more so than The Last Jedi. My only real issue with Solo is that the main actor playing Han just didn't feel like Han to me. He did a good enough job of acting, but he never convinced me he was Han Solo. I feel like they could have casted the main part better, but other than that the film was pretty great.
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Goose4291
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I thoroughly enjoyed it, well paced and only suffering minor 3rd act issues. Im surprised as i thought the departure of lord and miller was going to let it down for me.
It was nice to see the 'grittier' side of the galaxy, a place normally reserved for EU books and headcannon
How Han met Chewie, and got hold of the Falcon.
'Social justice' were you watching the same movie as me?
It was nice to see the 'grittier' side of the galaxy, a place normally reserved for EU books and headcannon
How Han met Chewie, and got hold of the Falcon.
'Social justice' were you watching the same movie as me?
Yeah. 'Social Justice' issues are about the very least of modern day Star Wars problems!! But i do understand this is an 'issue' that get's quite a bit of contrived public airing in certain quarters and is a 'thing' just a bit too 'fake news' for me to consider as a real problem.
Bad scripts is the No:1 issue killing New Star Wars, then all the problems that come from that; plot holes, uninteresting characters, illogical story beats etc. Better writing and better direction could transform Star Wars back to where it was in the originals.
All the other 'internet outrage' issues are just mostly political agenda's click-baiting impressionable minds imho.
Bad scripts is the No:1 issue killing New Star Wars, then all the problems that come from that; plot holes, uninteresting characters, illogical story beats etc. Better writing and better direction could transform Star Wars back to where it was in the originals.
All the other 'internet outrage' issues are just mostly political agenda's click-baiting impressionable minds imho.
Saw the movie yesterday.
It wasn't terrible but it wasn't great either.
Thing is, it was okayish most of the time and had parts that lapsed into pure cringe.
If it had more especially good parts, I'd be more forgiving of the bad parts too.
If it was just a generic sci-fi movie it would probably have been worthy of, say 6/10.
Because it's a SW movie, and we're already aware of the characters, the history and the technology, there's a variety of plot-holes, inconsistencies and disappointments so it's really only worthy of, maybe, 5/10.
The thing that REALLY hacks me off with these new movies is the way they insist on being so "on the nose" with everything.
Added to that, I'm not at all keen on the way they constantly insist on making cheap jokes at the expense of the characters and their motivations.
I'm also not keen on the way they seem compelled to continually subvert our existing knowledge of things.
And then there's L337.
To avoid spoilers, I'm just going to say, I cheered.
It wasn't terrible but it wasn't great either.
Thing is, it was okayish most of the time and had parts that lapsed into pure cringe.
If it had more especially good parts, I'd be more forgiving of the bad parts too.
If it was just a generic sci-fi movie it would probably have been worthy of, say 6/10.
Because it's a SW movie, and we're already aware of the characters, the history and the technology, there's a variety of plot-holes, inconsistencies and disappointments so it's really only worthy of, maybe, 5/10.
The thing that REALLY hacks me off with these new movies is the way they insist on being so "on the nose" with everything.
Added to that, I'm not at all keen on the way they constantly insist on making cheap jokes at the expense of the characters and their motivations.
I'm also not keen on the way they seem compelled to continually subvert our existing knowledge of things.
And then there's L337.
To avoid spoilers, I'm just going to say, I cheered.
Pretty mcuh the story of all SW films, with the possible exception of Empire.
The SW films have always been a bit of a romp through space with a vareity of themes, few of which made any real logical sense. It was initially designed to be a spaghetti western set in space.
The reason the films get so much crtiicism is because in part of the success, in part because people take them far too seriously.
Also, the last jedi sucked big style... but it had some cool moments.
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The 'success' of Star Wars is an interesting thing to look into (historically speaking). George Lucas had serious health issues because of the stress involved in making the original Star Wars: A New Hope film, and he really thought it was going to bomb and finish his film making career. So that film got finished by his wife at the time (she was a very good editor and film producer) and a few other senior people around the film, while Lucas spent much of the post-production sick or in hospital (This 'might' also be why the film was so good (compared to the prequels!)).
It wasn't until the opening weekend that Lucas got a feeling the film might not do as badly as he feared. The studio had no idea he was going through all this, and luckily for them (and us!) it became the huge hit of the late 70's we all know and love.
Empire Strikes Back again had good people making decisions other than George Lucas, and it wasn't until Return of the Jedi, and the infamous meeting between Lucas and Spielberg that the tone of the franchise changed to specifically focus on children (which led to Jar-Jar later etc) to hook into the potential of merchandising etc.
When you look into the details it seems a large slice of Star Wars success was down to people other than George Lucas. He created the universe and idea and started the ball rolling for sure, but you had some really good people able to add their input that is a large part of what makes the original trilogy such all time epic sci-fi films (and by that i mean we will all be talking about Star Wars forever because of those original films, long after all the other lesser Star Wars films have been largely forgotten).
It was like a perfect storm of timing and creativity (the 70's and 80's being good at that), before George Lucas had become so powerful a figure he could take 100% control, and this allowed some great writing with great characters (a perfect mix of experience and brand new talent) you could engage with right from the start. And a big lump of Luck, as making that first film nearly went wrong so many times.
I would not say i take Star Wars too seriously, more that i really appreciate good films and know they are rare in general, even more so in the realm of sci-fi.
Having said that i think i would prefer to be seen to take Star Wars 'seriously' based on the quality of that original trilogy, rather than just be like what the majority of people around the franchise have been since then, in that it could be argued they have not been taking it seriously enough, as subject matter, sci-fi adventures or films of artistic merit? It's why that original trilogy is like night and day vs everything since and unlikely to be bettered.
It wasn't until the opening weekend that Lucas got a feeling the film might not do as badly as he feared. The studio had no idea he was going through all this, and luckily for them (and us!) it became the huge hit of the late 70's we all know and love.
Empire Strikes Back again had good people making decisions other than George Lucas, and it wasn't until Return of the Jedi, and the infamous meeting between Lucas and Spielberg that the tone of the franchise changed to specifically focus on children (which led to Jar-Jar later etc) to hook into the potential of merchandising etc.
When you look into the details it seems a large slice of Star Wars success was down to people other than George Lucas. He created the universe and idea and started the ball rolling for sure, but you had some really good people able to add their input that is a large part of what makes the original trilogy such all time epic sci-fi films (and by that i mean we will all be talking about Star Wars forever because of those original films, long after all the other lesser Star Wars films have been largely forgotten).
It was like a perfect storm of timing and creativity (the 70's and 80's being good at that), before George Lucas had become so powerful a figure he could take 100% control, and this allowed some great writing with great characters (a perfect mix of experience and brand new talent) you could engage with right from the start. And a big lump of Luck, as making that first film nearly went wrong so many times.
I would not say i take Star Wars too seriously, more that i really appreciate good films and know they are rare in general, even more so in the realm of sci-fi.
Having said that i think i would prefer to be seen to take Star Wars 'seriously' based on the quality of that original trilogy, rather than just be like what the majority of people around the franchise have been since then, in that it could be argued they have not been taking it seriously enough, as subject matter, sci-fi adventures or films of artistic merit? It's why that original trilogy is like night and day vs everything since and unlikely to be bettered.
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Every single Star Wars movie is full of cringe worthy parts, plot holes and inconsistencies, so that shouldn't be difficult to gloss over.
I have yet to see solo, but I enjoyed Rogue One and thought it was the best one since empire. Especially good to see Darth Vader let loose at the end. Probably one of my favourite parts.
Uhuh.
My point, though, was that the good bits aren't really good enough to allow you to forgive the bad bits as easily.
Added to that, as I said, if this film was "Harry Harrison and the Heinous Hyperdrive fuel Heist", there wouldn't be any pre-existing lore for stuff in the movie to contradict, undermine or ignore.
Because it's a SW movie, there's stuff which does do all that and it detracts from the overall movie.
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Without having read the preceding discussion...
I'm not hell-bent on watching the film, but would rent it for something to see while I'm playing video games. However, I hear that there are "woke" moments in the movie that will ruin it for me. Is that true? I don't want to spend money so some Hollywood libtard can preach their agenda to me.
P.S. That being said, until I can rent star wars movies anyways (and not buy them, which is the only option on Amazon), I won't be watching it, anyway.
Tell me more?
I'm not hell-bent on watching the film, but would rent it for something to see while I'm playing video games. However, I hear that there are "woke" moments in the movie that will ruin it for me. Is that true? I don't want to spend money so some Hollywood libtard can preach their agenda to me.
P.S. That being said, until I can rent star wars movies anyways (and not buy them, which is the only option on Amazon), I won't be watching it, anyway.
Tell me more?
Goose4291
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Not at all mate. As usual, both sides of the argument are overreacting to a subplot that's no worse than spartacus and involves a lot of tenuous dot connecting.
If you liked Rogue One, I'd suggest you'll enjoy it.
Stealthie, were you having issues with L3-37 or quite the opposite? Im confused by your tone
Don't click if you haven't seen the movie. Seriously.
I found L337 to be incredibly annoying for a variety of reasons.
Sure, it was an "SJW droid" and that was kind of daft but that wasn't my main problem.
The big problem I had was that neither Han or L337 showed any particular affection for each other during the movie but then, after L337 gets downloaded into the Falcon, we're supposed to accept that THE single most iconic vehicle in all of sci-fi is actually some kind of bolshie SJW ship which Han spends decades lovingly maintaining despite the fact there's no indication, in the movie, that they ever really had any affinity for each other?
If you're ever read Jeremy Clarkson's book "I know You Got Soul", and agree with it's premise (it's a book suggesting that certain things such as The Space Shuttle, Concorde, the Spitfire and the Millennium Falcon transcend being mere machines), then you might understand why that hacks me off.
A generation of kids who grew up with posters of the Lamborghini Countach and/or the F14 Tomcat on their bedroom wall probably feel a similar way about the Millennium Falcon too.
What they've done, in Solo, is subvert all those people's preconceptions about that ship by saying "Ha! it's actually a whiney SJW that you've been in awe of all those years!"
So, yeah.
I cheered when L337 got blown up but it saddens me to think it became the Falcon's "brain".
Sure, it was an "SJW droid" and that was kind of daft but that wasn't my main problem.
The big problem I had was that neither Han or L337 showed any particular affection for each other during the movie but then, after L337 gets downloaded into the Falcon, we're supposed to accept that THE single most iconic vehicle in all of sci-fi is actually some kind of bolshie SJW ship which Han spends decades lovingly maintaining despite the fact there's no indication, in the movie, that they ever really had any affinity for each other?
If you're ever read Jeremy Clarkson's book "I know You Got Soul", and agree with it's premise (it's a book suggesting that certain things such as The Space Shuttle, Concorde, the Spitfire and the Millennium Falcon transcend being mere machines), then you might understand why that hacks me off.
A generation of kids who grew up with posters of the Lamborghini Countach and/or the F14 Tomcat on their bedroom wall probably feel a similar way about the Millennium Falcon too.
What they've done, in Solo, is subvert all those people's preconceptions about that ship by saying "Ha! it's actually a whiney SJW that you've been in awe of all those years!"
So, yeah.
I cheered when L337 got blown up but it saddens me to think it became the Falcon's "brain".
It's not as bad as The Last Jedi.
The bad bits of Solo are as bad as TLJ but it really only takes up about, say, 20 minutes of the movie and it's broken up into small chunks.
Without getting into spoilers, there's really only L337 and Enfys Nest.
L337 is sort of the comic-relief and the thing with Enfys Nest mostly turns out to be annoying for simplistic, "on the nose", plot reasons rather than ideological ones.
The rest of the movie is probably worthy of 6/10 and is pretty enjoyable.
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Yes - moments. But then it had every single time Rey was onscreen and drained all the energy from the film.
She is such an uninteresting character and is so boring to watch. And no offence to Ridley, but I think she gets worse as an actress the more experience she gets.
Poe? Poe did nothing in TFA and almost single handedly destroyed the entire Resistance in TLJ. He is, directly or indirectly, responsible for just about every single Resistance death in the movie. All because he had a chip on his shoudler about being demoted for getting his men killed for nothing.
Finn - on the other hand - Boyega is a good actor. Finn also has a (potentially) interesting story to tell. The stormtrooper who rebelled. The stormtrooper who fought back.
At least until the elite stormtrooper, part of Kylos personal unit, was written in as comedy relief as a janitor. A janitor who somehow knows about every super weapon and top secret piece of equipment the Empire...sorry - First order has developed.
Finn needs to be outed as an Imperial agent in the next movie. One corrupted by the Force and intended to turn traitor but who is fighting back against his conditioning - hence the discrepancies.
But Finn, as the most interesting character, should have been the focus of the films. He should have been the "Jedi".
Solo? I liked the film. It was far better than TLJ. It had problems to be sure, but mostly the script....which was too dry and slow for a heist movie. The cast was good...especially Lando and L3. Bettany was good as the villain. Some of the issues were clichéd, but the cameo at the end was one I am happy to admit I did not see coming. And it alone justifies the film IMO.
I want a sequel. I think it got caught up in the backwash of TLJs flaws, a poor marketing campaign (too much reliance on the SW name), the weather and the impact of DP2 and A3 and I think it suffered as a result.
Solo is far better than TLJ.
