The Size Issue, and others
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Yeah very true I think it’s the fact Ceratosaurus is so big it makes suchomimus look time by comparison, but like I say the baryonyx should be roughly the same size as the Suchomimus
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I think if FDevs make Baryonyx model base on Jurassic World 2. It will be smaller than Suchomimus.
Suchomimus is 11m long, and Baryonyx is 9.5m (I know that holy type specimen of Baryonyx is not fully grown). It's mean Suchomimus is about 1.6 times (~60%) bigger than Baryonyx.
I've watched Jurassic World 2. In my opinion their size in game will look like this:
I think if FDevs make Baryonyx model base on Jurassic World 2. It will be smaller than Suchomimus.
Suchomimus is 11m long, and Baryonyx is 9.5m (I know that holy type specimen of Baryonyx is not fully grown). It's mean Suchomimus is about 1.6 times (~60%) bigger than Baryonyx.
I've watched Jurassic World 2. In my opinion their size in game will look like this:
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The Deinonychus is the biggest issue for me. The crest on its head and the sail on its tail make it look like a weird chicken/fish hybrid as well as its eyes not being forward facing. I understand why they did this so the Deinonychus can be differentiated from the Velociraptor which is actually what the Deinonychus should look like but for those who know it isn't. I would like to see the Deinonychus have more forward facing eyes, a slightly longer snout and to differentiate it its would be covered in feathers if feathers are a no no then perhaps just remove Deininychus and replace it with Utahraptor which was significantly bigger and would be easy to differentiate between the 'Velociraptor' and the Utahraptor. As for the other size's of the dinosaurs I agree there needs to be a readjustment. I also think that the hadrosaurs that walk on two legs should walk on four and run on two as only the younger animals tended to walk on two while the adults had to walk on four.
1) Rex and Ceratosaurus are objectively too big. That is also part of the reason why the Giga and Spino seem tiny. They could perhaps be bigger, but without a Godzilla-sized Rex they would seem a lot more reasonable.
2) Herbivore sizes are too samey. Small stegosaurids, small ankylosaurids and small ceratopsians should be much smaller than the larger species of their families. Right now they are all very similar in size.
Let's look at the facts. The Rex's profile claims it is 5m tall. The biggest real T.Rexes were under 4m tall (Sue was 3.66m tall). Essentially, the Rex is 37% taller than it was in real life. Even if you assume Rexy was a bit larger than the real T.Rex it still shouldn't be this big.
Also, the Ceratosaurus being 10.4m ingame will probably mean it's larger than the Allosaurus we're getting. The real Ceratosaurus was roughly 6m in length and even the movie Ceratosaurus was probably more along the lines of 9m. And the Ceratosaurus in JPOG was realistic in size (roughly 6m). It really should be shrunk.
Please don't buff the sizes of all carnivores just because the T.Rex and Cerato are disproportionately huge. Fix the problem by shrinking those two (although Giga can afford to be a tiny bit bigger).
2) Herbivore sizes are too samey. Small stegosaurids, small ankylosaurids and small ceratopsians should be much smaller than the larger species of their families. Right now they are all very similar in size.
Let's look at the facts. The Rex's profile claims it is 5m tall. The biggest real T.Rexes were under 4m tall (Sue was 3.66m tall). Essentially, the Rex is 37% taller than it was in real life. Even if you assume Rexy was a bit larger than the real T.Rex it still shouldn't be this big.
Also, the Ceratosaurus being 10.4m ingame will probably mean it's larger than the Allosaurus we're getting. The real Ceratosaurus was roughly 6m in length and even the movie Ceratosaurus was probably more along the lines of 9m. And the Ceratosaurus in JPOG was realistic in size (roughly 6m). It really should be shrunk.
Please don't buff the sizes of all carnivores just because the T.Rex and Cerato are disproportionately huge. Fix the problem by shrinking those two (although Giga can afford to be a tiny bit bigger).
No - they really shouldn't be the exact same proportions. While Apatosaurus and Diplodocus both Diplodocids - they are in different sub-families of Diplodocids. The Apatosaurus belongs to the Apatosaurine sub-family - which is characterized - by being taller and stockier in build, with a slightly shorter neck, and tail. By comparison - the Diplodocus which belongs to the Diplodocine sub-family - tend to have longer necks, and tails, with shorter in overall height and length of their torso.
The game length of the Diplodocus - at 29 meters/95 feet, and 16 metric tons - is pretty spot on. As it pretty much a combination of the two species of Diplodocus - D. hallorum (at 32 meters) and D. carnegii (at 26 meters) .
R.I.P Seismosaurus
What?
The Giga could be a tiny bit bigger? What? Giganotosaurus was actually bigger in size than the TRex. Although not stronger where as Rex had a much more powerful bite and benefitted from eye sight being forward facing. The Giga could be much bigger than it is in the game
The Giga could be a tiny bit bigger? What? Giganotosaurus was actually bigger in size than the TRex. Although not stronger where as Rex had a much more powerful bite and benefitted from eye sight being forward facing. The Giga could be much bigger than it is in the game
Considering the lack of fossils and the difficulty in estimating the size of dinosaurs no one can be certain how big any therapod was. Its safe to say that Giganotosaurus was similar in size to T-rex. With T-rex probably being heavier built that Giganotosaurus.
First off - there is WAY too much stating of figures of real life skeletal versions of T.rex, Giganotosaurus and Spinosaurus. Remember that the mounted skeletons - while they may give a rough estimation about the size of that specific animal - Still DO NOT fully account for the animal's actual size when it was alive.
According to the hadrosaurs mummies named Dakota and Leonardo (Brachylophosaurus) - the skeletal length under estimates the actual size of the living dinosaur by about 50 cm/20 inches - because soft tissues have not been fully accounted for. It is also estimated that the giant theropods like T.rex, Gigantosaurus, and Spinosaurus would need to be increased by about 5% to account for the soft tissue in the living animal.
So - why is this important - well remember - the dinosaurs of Jurassic Park/Jurassic World are living dinosaurs (in the films, novels, and games - at least).
Adjusting the size of these theropods - from their skeletal length to living animal length. You get the following
Tyrannosaurus rex
- Sue -- skeletal length - 12.3 meters/40.4 feet -- Actual Length (at time of death) - 12.9 meters/42.33 feet
- Trix -- skeletal length - 12.5 meters/41.0 feet -- Actual Length (at time of death) - 13.1 meters/43.0 feet
- average adult T. rex - skeletal length - 11.9 meters/39.0 feet -- Actual Length - 12.5 meters/41.0 feet
So Rexy - at 13.4 meters/44 feet (in JW & JW:FK) would be only 30 cm/1 foot longer than Trix or about 50 cm/20 inches longer than Sue, or only about 7 % longer than an average size T.rex.
Giganotosaurus
- MUCPv-Ch1 - Skeletal Length - ~12.5 meters/41.0 feet -- Actual Length (at time of death) - 13.1 meters/43.0 feet
- MUCPv-95 - Skeletal Length - ~ 13.2 meters/43.3 feet -- Actual Length (at time of death) - 13.87 meters/45.5 feet
Spinosaurus
- 2007 estimate - Skeletal Length - 14.3 meters/47 feet -- Actual Length - 15.0 meters/49.2 feet
- 2014 estimate - Skeletal Length - 15.1 meters/49.5 feet -- Actual Length - 15.85 meters/52 feet.
According to the hadrosaurs mummies named Dakota and Leonardo (Brachylophosaurus) - the skeletal length under estimates the actual size of the living dinosaur by about 50 cm/20 inches - because soft tissues have not been fully accounted for. It is also estimated that the giant theropods like T.rex, Gigantosaurus, and Spinosaurus would need to be increased by about 5% to account for the soft tissue in the living animal.
So - why is this important - well remember - the dinosaurs of Jurassic Park/Jurassic World are living dinosaurs (in the films, novels, and games - at least).
Adjusting the size of these theropods - from their skeletal length to living animal length. You get the following
Tyrannosaurus rex
- Sue -- skeletal length - 12.3 meters/40.4 feet -- Actual Length (at time of death) - 12.9 meters/42.33 feet
- Trix -- skeletal length - 12.5 meters/41.0 feet -- Actual Length (at time of death) - 13.1 meters/43.0 feet
- average adult T. rex - skeletal length - 11.9 meters/39.0 feet -- Actual Length - 12.5 meters/41.0 feet
So Rexy - at 13.4 meters/44 feet (in JW & JW:FK) would be only 30 cm/1 foot longer than Trix or about 50 cm/20 inches longer than Sue, or only about 7 % longer than an average size T.rex.
Giganotosaurus
- MUCPv-Ch1 - Skeletal Length - ~12.5 meters/41.0 feet -- Actual Length (at time of death) - 13.1 meters/43.0 feet
- MUCPv-95 - Skeletal Length - ~ 13.2 meters/43.3 feet -- Actual Length (at time of death) - 13.87 meters/45.5 feet
Spinosaurus
- 2007 estimate - Skeletal Length - 14.3 meters/47 feet -- Actual Length - 15.0 meters/49.2 feet
- 2014 estimate - Skeletal Length - 15.1 meters/49.5 feet -- Actual Length - 15.85 meters/52 feet.
Spinosaur indominus size
Actually Indominus rex is a bit smaller than spinosaur even though the I-rex is bigger than the T-rex. But definitely the issue of the sizes should be fixed.
Actually Indominus rex is a bit smaller than spinosaur even though the I-rex is bigger than the T-rex. But definitely the issue of the sizes should be fixed.
I don't think so. In game, Spinosaurus is 15m long and 3.9m high (this is bigger than 13.3m Spinosaurus in Jurassic Park 3, but average of real size)
Indominus is 15.5m long and 4.6m high (maximum size).
T-rex is 14m and 5m high. (Rexy is 13.4m. Largest T-rex - Sue is 12.3m)
So, I think Devs shouldn't make Spino or Indo bigger. We've a gozilla size - T-rex. It is too much (with me
)FDevs please! Scale down your T-rex!!!
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I’ll say this again cos obviously people aren’t reading it, the maximum size for an InGen spinosaurus is 46ft.
Indominus Rex is 50ft so I don’t know how spinosaurus can be bigger than that? Even the real life quadrupedal spinosaurus grew to a max size of 49ft, and even with its sail it was not as tall as T-Rex
So Indominus Rex is the biggest theropod ever...
I think I have to agree, there are some definite size discrepancies which go against the evidence and should be adjusted, as well as other aspects of the game, such as looks and social tolerance. For example there is strong evidence to suggest that Tyrannosaurus-Rex was both a pack Dinosaur and a solitary hunter, so making it hostile towards other Tyrannosaurus is kind of against the evidence(as well as JP2:LW). Velociraptor is widely believed to have had feathers, given that they found quill knobs on fossilised Raptor bones. Both Giganotosaurus and Spinosaurus being accepted as larger in size than the Tyrannosaurus, although perhaps not as heavy.
Spinosaur size Vs Indominusrex
Man I u have got to Google it almost every were u go there is written that spinosaurs max length is 55 feet. Biggest found specimen is 49 but suggest there were bigger. But hey go ruin it for us as I-rex fanboy! I don't like spiney either. But what would suggest the I-rex is bigger cause in the movies it sure was smaller than the spiney. And every franchise its 55feet. Even if it has t-rex genes it just can't pop up that big. And what the +@&€ Ingen stuff? Ingen spiney can't be bigger than 46 feet. It doesn't say that. And if the spiney was 46 feet it doesn't mean it can't grow bigger. And by the way the t-rex in jp3 is said to be a juvenile..
Man I u have got to Google it almost every were u go there is written that spinosaurs max length is 55 feet. Biggest found specimen is 49 but suggest there were bigger. But hey go ruin it for us as I-rex fanboy! I don't like spiney either. But what would suggest the I-rex is bigger cause in the movies it sure was smaller than the spiney. And every franchise its 55feet. Even if it has t-rex genes it just can't pop up that big. And what the +@&€ Ingen stuff? Ingen spiney can't be bigger than 46 feet. It doesn't say that. And if the spiney was 46 feet it doesn't mean it can't grow bigger. And by the way the t-rex in jp3 is said to be a juvenile..
IF they scale down the T.rex - I would suggest - no more than 1 meter - to 13 meters. Why? Well as I explained in my last post on this topic - in real life - the Largest specimens of T.rex reached about 13 meters, also this would be on target for the average size of the adult T.rexes from the JP/JW series. I would actually prefer the JWE T.rex to be based on Rexy from JW & JW:FK.
Still of the big theropods - Giganotosaurus needs to be larger by at least 1 meter in length and height. Actually 1.4-1.7 would be preferred - as this would put it about 13.4-13.7 meters long. and about 4.6-4.9 meters/15-16 feet tall.
In addition - the weight of all 3 dinosaurs (T.rex, Giganotosaurus & Spinosaurus) should be reduced about to about 60 % of the present in game stats. Spinosaurus - about 12 tons, T.rex - about 9-10 tons, Giganotosaurus - about 8-9 tons.
Still - the theropod I have a problem with the most is - Ceratosaurus, as it is a beast - at 10.4 meters long. The Ceratosaurus' stats from JP3 was roughly 9 meters - which is still about 2 meters longer than the largest known specimens of C. nasicornis (North America), and C. dentisulcatus (Portugal) - both of which were about 6- 7 meters/20-23 feet long, 2.1-2.4 meters/6.9-7.9 feet tall, and weighted about 1 metric ton.
However - Ceratosaurus roechlingi from the Tendaguru Formation -has been estimated to be much larger than the North American and European species - possible rivaling the size of the JWE Ceratosaurus - at about 9.1-10 meters/30-33 feet long, about 3 meters tall, and about 2.3-3 metric tons.
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I’d be quite irritated if Allosaurus ends up being smaller than Cerato. Ceratosaurus definitely needs to be bumped down to the JP3 9 meters or even a little less. I think it’s the most ridiculously sized Dino in-game right now besides Godzilla Rex
Well - T.rex is hardly Godzilla in this game. Yes - it is slightly larger than Rexy was in Jurassic World(13.4 meters/44 feet). BTW - the JWE T.rex is stated to be 14 meters/46 feet long, (only 2 feet/60 cm longer than Rexy from JW). What bugs is that Giganotosaurus is smaller than T.rex and that all the large theropods weights seem to by over estimated by about 60-65%
For this game - the big four Theropods should have the following stats -
- T.rex should be about 13.1-13.4 meters/43-44 feet long, 5-5.2 meters/16.4-17 feet tall, and weigh about 9-10 metric tons.
- Giganotosaurus - about 13.7 meters/45 feet long, 4.9 meters/16 feet tall, and weigh about 8-8.5 metric tons.
- Spinosaurus - about 15 meters/49 feet long, 5.5 meters/18 feet (at top of head) tall, and weigh about 12 tons.
- Indominus rex - about 15.24 meters/50 feet long, 6.1 meters/20 feet tall, and weigh about 12 -14 tons.
But I do agree that Ceratosaurus should be reduced in size to no more than 9.14 meters/30 feet long, and weigh about 2-2.5 tons. I am also hoping that Allosaurus will be 11-12 meters long/ 36-39 feet long. Although technically - the specimens which were that size are typically referred to be Saurophaganax, which was originally called Allosaurus maximus