Yeah, the Science mission I had to do twice on Sorna, Pentaceratops decided to gore the Metriacanthosaurus when it had already killed two Trikes prior with 45 seconds left on the mission. Sorna in my opinion is the best map even with the huge mountain in the middle of the map, it sure as heck provides a much larger area to build than Nublar which is sad, you would think the sandbox map would be the one with all the space to build a park.
My Thoughts After 25 Hours from a JPOG Fan
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LOL my experiance was similar. I produced two kentrosaurs and the required trikes and metria...the metrai went mad, killed a kentro and got killed by another...by the mission still said i had produced them so all was ok. In the end i didnt have to put the metria back in the paddock.
One big issue with this mission for me was that it asked you to make 2 Apatosaurs and 2 Penta's but those species needed MORE to be socially happy...so the mission ends up stressing dinosaurs.
I love the map...but i did feel sorry for the stegosaurs i left to starve to death...
One big issue with this mission for me was that it asked you to make 2 Apatosaurs and 2 Penta's but those species needed MORE to be socially happy...so the mission ends up stressing dinosaurs.
I love the map...but i did feel sorry for the stegosaurs i left to starve to death...
meh
I think many things already have been said.
BTW I unlock 100 percent DNA before even using a dinosaur, and put in all the genetics to increase their lifespan, mine also tend to outlife their estimated lifespan by far. still in a bigger park I frequently collect dinosaurs that died of old age. So yea they die way too quick.
That there is not so much damage by weather, I actually like better than in OG, and I think the raptors are annoying enough, when they start to feel uncomfortable during the storm and keep trying to break fences. Basicly it is just a storm, not a tornado like in the past.
I also kinda hate the overload of shop/food things you need to buy to cause that high grade of happiness to the visitors. Since there often is extremely few space and it´s just odd to basicly have more entertaining shops and food stores than dinosaurs at some point.
What I also really miss is the firs tperson view from the attractions and they could have done a drivable gyroscope i think. I was actually expecting it, or did i miss somehting?
What I hate the most, is that you have rangers and they do absolutely nothing on their own, it´s really stressing me out that you have to let them refill feeding stations even. I´m not completely through the game yet but I guess it´s not coming and i hope enough people have complained so we get it patched at least for auto refills. But basicly rangers would have screens and see where there are power fails etc...
I think many things already have been said.
BTW I unlock 100 percent DNA before even using a dinosaur, and put in all the genetics to increase their lifespan, mine also tend to outlife their estimated lifespan by far. still in a bigger park I frequently collect dinosaurs that died of old age. So yea they die way too quick.
That there is not so much damage by weather, I actually like better than in OG, and I think the raptors are annoying enough, when they start to feel uncomfortable during the storm and keep trying to break fences. Basicly it is just a storm, not a tornado like in the past.
I also kinda hate the overload of shop/food things you need to buy to cause that high grade of happiness to the visitors. Since there often is extremely few space and it´s just odd to basicly have more entertaining shops and food stores than dinosaurs at some point.
What I also really miss is the firs tperson view from the attractions and they could have done a drivable gyroscope i think. I was actually expecting it, or did i miss somehting?
What I hate the most, is that you have rangers and they do absolutely nothing on their own, it´s really stressing me out that you have to let them refill feeding stations even. I´m not completely through the game yet but I guess it´s not coming and i hope enough people have complained so we get it patched at least for auto refills. But basicly rangers would have screens and see where there are power fails etc...
There is a drivable Gyrosphere. ^^ i think its the 3 or 5 star isla sorna mission.
and yeah i do agree with a lot of what you mention too
this .-. Why would they go this crazy. If indominus did it, it would make sense for the story of the movie but even though it is JP /JW I don´t see why basicly making dinosaurs killing machines, unlike any existing animal
That is an issue with the two latest movies in my opinion, and in fact the spinosaurus to in JP3. The new films want to present the dinosaurs are mega kiling machines,. even going as far as to make FAKE dinos for a dino film. I personally wouldnt have even come up with the idea of Indo Rex.
Also JPOG: Dinosaurs that are so stupid that they "forget" to eat or drink and literally starve to death. *cough* Dryosaurus/Gallimimus
Not to mention how many species are irritating to keep in JWE?
- Camarasaurus needs so much forest in its paddocks you might as well not bother skinning it cause you'll rarely see its skins
- Pachycephalosaurs, Chasmosaurus, Parasaurolophus, Maisara and Tsintao all need a pack of 4 to keep themselves happy
- Camarasaurus needs so much forest in its paddocks you might as well not bother skinning it cause you'll rarely see its skins
- Pachycephalosaurs, Chasmosaurus, Parasaurolophus, Maisara and Tsintao all need a pack of 4 to keep themselves happy
Muttaburrasaurus is even worse. It needs at least 6 to be happy, IIRC.
Your kidding?! God i can't wait to see all those stand in a circle and 'socialise'...
Stegosaurs aren't much better. They need at least 5. Very fickle little s. lol
A factor I like actually.It mixed thinks up in terms of enclosures.
see now why would i bother making those when i can have my cute lil stegosaurs from china that have cool looking skins, are smaller, easier to place, require less messing about and are happy in a twosome and actually look decent and dont have their tails dragging on the ground like a dinosaur modern paleoscience forgot...
Huayangosaurus is my go-to stegosaur. It's not picky at all.
SAME! i practically put him on every island and i love all his skins from the Chromed up savannah one to the tiger stripes and blood stripes of the arid and steppe ones.
It makes me even more dissappointed with other skins in the game.
Metriacanthus, Suchomismus, Parasaurlophus and Huayango all have amazing looking skins...and then the Velociraptors? Well you could have it in murky green murky grey or murky yellow...come on dudes...be a little creative. Its not like we havent all seen the raptors in JW or JP3 acrtually have some colour to them...some style. #showvelociraptorsomelove ^^
I usually just ignore people who say JPOG is better. Cause the idea that JPOG is a better game than this is just ridiculous. Herding and sleeping does not make a game good. This game blows JPOG out of the water. While it is similar in some aspects this game is not JPOG, it is a vast improvement though. JPOG was only popular cause it was the only Dinosaur zoo management game on the market with the JP license attached to it. Take away the JP name, theme and Dinosaurs and all you have is a mediocre management sim that was outdone by games that came before and after it. It's only people's bad case of nostalgia glasses and fanboyism that makes many people say JPOG is a better game. Usually the people that call this game shallow will then say JPOG is a better game for whatever reason. JPOG was a shallow game. It was terrible. JPOG is garbage. It was garbage in 2003 and it's garbage now. With JWE available as an alternative it looks even worse now.
But I will list some things that make it worse. I will start off with the first issue, management. JPOG was severely lacking any kind of real management. JWE gives players the management experience JPOG never did. Even just refilling the feeders adds management to the game and makes it feel like you are running a park full of actual living Dinosaurs. The food depletes and needs to be refilled. Since feeding the animals was talked about in the books this adds another level of immersion to the game that sleeping and herding just doesn't add, at least not in the same way. Having to cure your Dinosaurs of illness is another level of management that immerses you in the game world and helps the Dinosaurs feel alive. They get sick like any living animal would. Caring for the health of the Dinosaurs was also mentioned in both novels. So this adds to the feeling that you are running your own park. Sure you could cure illnesses in the Dinosaurs in JPOG but it never felt right, it wasn't fun. Keeping the animals fed and curing illness is something that would be done in any modern day park that has live animals. Getting to do all this in the 1993 JP Jeep just makes it so much better.
Graphics wise this game completely destroys JPOG. Even with the animation and AI problems this game is still vastly superior. Of course it's a modern game so it should. The Dinosaurs in JPOG never looked right. They moved like robots. People say the animation in this game is janky or whatever else but JPOG's animations were pretty bad. I would even say bad for a game in 2003, it definitely didn't look as good for 2003 game either. People criticize the attack/death animations for park guests in this game well JPOG wasn't much better. The park guests in that game would jut stand there and tremble in fear till they got eaten. I believe they might have also ran away. The JWE animations are pretty good for what is there. The AI in JPOG wasn't all that great either. As MrGoodBytes said some Dinosaurs had a tendency to die of starvation and or thirst. Another issue is that they would all pile up into I believe it was the Southwest corner of the island. This was fixed on PC with a fan made fix.
On the topic of graphics the Dinosaurs in this game look great. The same can't be said for a lot of JPOG's Dinosaurs. JPOG had a pretty big disparity when it came how Dinosaurs looked. Some would look good while others didn't look that great. One example is the Dryosaurs and the Gallimimus. The Dryosaurs looked better while the Gallimimus was bigger and looked worse. There were other Dinosaurs with this issue. It was like some of the developers put more effort into certain Dinosaur models than they did for others. You don't see this in JWE. All the Dinosaurs look fantastic. You can see they were all made with the same level of care and detail. Even if some of them share the same animations. They all look good and I think that's way more important.
One of the criticisms that JPOG fans use to trash JWE with is that JPOG had mods. While JPOG had mods a lot of the mods were garbage. There were very few that actually did much for the game. Most centered around editing the games ini file will allowed you to change things like the population cap for the Dinosaurs, the amount of fencing, buildings and paths you could have on an island. Matter of fact JPOG was the first PC game that I had ever modded, it was also simple once you did it a few times. But consoles players couldn't do this. They were stuck with a game with some severe limitations. Also if you weren't good with computers you were also stuck with the console limitations. JWE doesn't have any of these limitations. It does have limits as BestInSlot has shown but they are far greater than JPOG's limitations. I would say consoles should have about the same level of limitations or maybe a bit less.
JWE will be supported with updates/fixes and content. JPOG never had this level of support. It only got support from fans and even then that was only for the PC version. As I said above a lot of the mods for JPOG were not very good. JWE will get professional content and fixes made by Frontier. We really won't have to depend on amateurs to fix issues with the game or make content for it. IMO this is a huge plus for JWE. Sure it lacks mod support now but it might get it in the future. The world is a different place than it was in 2003 though so people are more protective of their intellectual property now.
But the really great thing that JWE has that JPOG didn't? The 1993 JP Jeep.
It makes JWE so much better.
But I will list some things that make it worse. I will start off with the first issue, management. JPOG was severely lacking any kind of real management. JWE gives players the management experience JPOG never did. Even just refilling the feeders adds management to the game and makes it feel like you are running a park full of actual living Dinosaurs. The food depletes and needs to be refilled. Since feeding the animals was talked about in the books this adds another level of immersion to the game that sleeping and herding just doesn't add, at least not in the same way. Having to cure your Dinosaurs of illness is another level of management that immerses you in the game world and helps the Dinosaurs feel alive. They get sick like any living animal would. Caring for the health of the Dinosaurs was also mentioned in both novels. So this adds to the feeling that you are running your own park. Sure you could cure illnesses in the Dinosaurs in JPOG but it never felt right, it wasn't fun. Keeping the animals fed and curing illness is something that would be done in any modern day park that has live animals. Getting to do all this in the 1993 JP Jeep just makes it so much better.
Graphics wise this game completely destroys JPOG. Even with the animation and AI problems this game is still vastly superior. Of course it's a modern game so it should. The Dinosaurs in JPOG never looked right. They moved like robots. People say the animation in this game is janky or whatever else but JPOG's animations were pretty bad. I would even say bad for a game in 2003, it definitely didn't look as good for 2003 game either. People criticize the attack/death animations for park guests in this game well JPOG wasn't much better. The park guests in that game would jut stand there and tremble in fear till they got eaten. I believe they might have also ran away. The JWE animations are pretty good for what is there. The AI in JPOG wasn't all that great either. As MrGoodBytes said some Dinosaurs had a tendency to die of starvation and or thirst. Another issue is that they would all pile up into I believe it was the Southwest corner of the island. This was fixed on PC with a fan made fix.
On the topic of graphics the Dinosaurs in this game look great. The same can't be said for a lot of JPOG's Dinosaurs. JPOG had a pretty big disparity when it came how Dinosaurs looked. Some would look good while others didn't look that great. One example is the Dryosaurs and the Gallimimus. The Dryosaurs looked better while the Gallimimus was bigger and looked worse. There were other Dinosaurs with this issue. It was like some of the developers put more effort into certain Dinosaur models than they did for others. You don't see this in JWE. All the Dinosaurs look fantastic. You can see they were all made with the same level of care and detail. Even if some of them share the same animations. They all look good and I think that's way more important.
One of the criticisms that JPOG fans use to trash JWE with is that JPOG had mods. While JPOG had mods a lot of the mods were garbage. There were very few that actually did much for the game. Most centered around editing the games ini file will allowed you to change things like the population cap for the Dinosaurs, the amount of fencing, buildings and paths you could have on an island. Matter of fact JPOG was the first PC game that I had ever modded, it was also simple once you did it a few times. But consoles players couldn't do this. They were stuck with a game with some severe limitations. Also if you weren't good with computers you were also stuck with the console limitations. JWE doesn't have any of these limitations. It does have limits as BestInSlot has shown but they are far greater than JPOG's limitations. I would say consoles should have about the same level of limitations or maybe a bit less.
JWE will be supported with updates/fixes and content. JPOG never had this level of support. It only got support from fans and even then that was only for the PC version. As I said above a lot of the mods for JPOG were not very good. JWE will get professional content and fixes made by Frontier. We really won't have to depend on amateurs to fix issues with the game or make content for it. IMO this is a huge plus for JWE. Sure it lacks mod support now but it might get it in the future. The world is a different place than it was in 2003 though so people are more protective of their intellectual property now.
But the really great thing that JWE has that JPOG didn't? The 1993 JP Jeep.
It makes JWE so much better.
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This idea that graphics don't make a game good is a ridiculous cop out. While graphics aren't the only thing that makes a game good it does help. Especially with immersion. If graphics don't matter when it comes to games being good than why do developers even bother making games with good graphics? Why do people run out and by new consoles every 5-7 years? Why do PC gamers upgrade their graphics cards every so often? Cause graphics do matter.
But hey, you just go ahead and take easy way out by saying "graphics don't make a game good". Lot's of people would disagree.
LOL good graphics do help with immersion...just a shame that numerous features of this game destroy immersion...
You can claim the amazing looking dinos make this game so much better...but id take the lower res graphics of JPOGs dinosaurs over this games any day...why?
Because in JPOG the dinosaurs felt actually alive...and not copy pasted robots. Looking nice doesnt make up for terriable gameplay. A nice looking person is still rubbish if they have a terriable personality. And since you mention the appaling nature of modern day console gaming...people run out and buy new consoles because of hype and marketting that feeds on peoples belief that they need it. I havent updated my PC graphics card in ages and a majourity of the games i consider top favs in my life are not hard core graphic titles...infact the only recent (last 7 to 10 years) game i really properly enjoyed was Wolfenstein...and that wasnt for the graphics..it was for the story...
Story, depth...gameplay...all comes before the looks...simple as that
You can claim the amazing looking dinos make this game so much better...but id take the lower res graphics of JPOGs dinosaurs over this games any day...why?
Because in JPOG the dinosaurs felt actually alive...and not copy pasted robots. Looking nice doesnt make up for terriable gameplay. A nice looking person is still rubbish if they have a terriable personality. And since you mention the appaling nature of modern day console gaming...people run out and buy new consoles because of hype and marketting that feeds on peoples belief that they need it. I havent updated my PC graphics card in ages and a majourity of the games i consider top favs in my life are not hard core graphic titles...infact the only recent (last 7 to 10 years) game i really properly enjoyed was Wolfenstein...and that wasnt for the graphics..it was for the story...
Story, depth...gameplay...all comes before the looks...simple as that