Chango has a black market
Yes indeed it has. But Chango Dock will burn your face off if you are beeing scanned before setting down.
Freeport free-shooting day?!
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Yes indeed it has. But Chango Dock will burn your face off if you are beeing scanned before setting down.
That's like saying the murder victim is dead because he was where the murder was. Morally wrong by any standards.
If you're bored, find a game that keeps your interest.
Someone posted on another thread an example about speeding and not being caught. It's still against the law to speed, thinking that not being caught somehow makes out legal, in a civilized society, is wrong, it's still illegal. The same holds true for places in game that report an NFZ, it's still illegal to shoot another ship inside the NFZ, even if the station guns are down. Or more too the point, it's a known bug in the game that is being exploited, knowingly exploiting that but it's against the rules, just because the game managers haven't enforced, doesn't make it somehow right our within the rules, as well as the rules of good sportsmanship, and respect of your fellow players. Cheating is cheating, no matter how you try to weasel your way out of it.
But you knew from going in that there was a potential threat, that's how the rules of the game work. Going to a place that's expected to be reasonably safe, such as a station, inside and out, in the NFZ, a player, especially a new player, would expect it to be safe. Where there's an antisocial, cheater who found and is exploiting a bug for their own jollies, is wrong. The exploiter in all other games would be banned. A beta tester who knowingly exploits a known bug for their own amusement, should be removed, both from beta and release, if they can't be trusted with a task like bug finding, they can't be trusted at all.
You're right, no argument there, but consider the future players, the customers of Frontier, do we as beta testers want to see the game fail after release, because an example of expected or sportsmanship was presented during beta? Bear in mind, these forums are open to the public, people waiting for release and not joining beta are watching and deciding if the game will bee worth their time and money. Do you want to be responsible for such a failure?
Yes I do.
That's a ridiculous answer to a patently ridiculous question.
Really, now.
You're honestly suggesting that only "sportsmanlike" behaviour is tested by multiplayer beta testers.
Because, to follow FD's stated directive that "anything goes" will result in an inexorable decline into full product failure, due to the weakened moral fabric caused by that testing.
Please take a step back and think about this for just a minute.
Enjoyed watching that video. I look forward to being able to afford an anaconda.
I'm saying the murder victim is dead because he strolled into a dark ally in a bad neighborhood... he should have known better but sometimes we learn these things the hard way, that's part of the learning curve.
This argument goes both ways, if you don't enjoy world PvP and the constant potential for danger, find a game that better fits your needs.
See, you seem to not fully understand what anarchy is. Laws are created by governing bodies, in Freeport there is no governing body, and thus no laws. Killing another players is NOT breaking the law and getting away with it because you can't break a law that doesn't exist. I do however agree that you shouldn't be able to be killed while inside the hangar, and that the NFZ should either be enforced or removed. But none of this is cheating, we aren't breaking any rules doing this. And aside from killing people inside the hangar, you can't even really consider anything going on in Freeport to be bug abuse.
This is a game with world PvP, there is always a potential threat. Again, I do agree that the NFZ should perhaps be better enforced, but even then you should never assume that you're 100% safe so long as the game allows PvP.
Do we want to see a ton of potential players pushed away because some people are scared of PvP and talked the devs into removing world PvP, thus driving away a ton of potential players that wanted to play a game with world PvP? No matter what the game becomes there going to be people that love it and people that hate it. You can't make everyone happy.
Keep in mind that that was a very skillful bit of piloting there. Most of the time 2 Vipers would own an Anaconda, I think.
From what I've read, Freeports NFZ not causing the station to fire is a bug expected to be fix on the next beta release, so it is bug exploitation.
I never did I expect 100% safety, but I do expect beta testers to follow the rules. Don't use the statement from the main website, that's marketing. Inside the game, the players/testers should know the rules and fair play. Using a known bug is cheating, there is nothing you can say to make out otherwise, unless the designers and developers change their minds and make known they're not going to fix it and make it a feature.
If you're going to claim that the NFZ in Freeport is a bug and use it as your main argument then please provide a source.
You're missing the point that in anarchy space there is no "fair play."
You're absolutely right I do, and to call that a failure is naive. There is no expected sportsmanship in anarchy space. You enter completely at your own risk and should know that anything can happen. That is the way the developers designed it, it isn't a bug that there is no police force in LP 98-132.
I would expect a person interested in the game to view it for what it is. There is no reason to assume that there's a gentleman's agreement in anarchy when that isn't how the game is designed.
No other station in the game fires on you when you fire your weapons in the NFZ. Nor are they expected to in the future.
No other station in the game fires on you when you destroy a WANTED ship in the NFZ. Nor are they expected to in the future.
Any station will fire on you if you fire on it... Freeport included.
At Freeport, there are no WANTED ships, as there is no jurisdiction or authority to declare anyone CLEAN or WANTED.
This is all pretty consistent.
You can't reasonably frame Freeport station behaviour as a "bug".
It may need more fine-tuning to get the best gameplay out if it. Alternatively, the best gameplay might indeed be to leave it just how it is! Then you have those crazy places where angels fear to tread.
Have you personally observed/confirmed that station behavior you mention above? What's the point of calling it an NFZ then? You're saying that all you get is a fine or something, or that only the space cops shoot at you (assuming there are some around)? Is this "every station" behavior supposed to persist into the finished game?
Consider that it is entirely possible that the lack of an NFZ is working as intended but that the bug may be that it broadcasts that there is a NFZ to begin with.
Yes, confirmed.
Firing weapons in the NFZ is a bit naughty, in controlled systems. You will be fined. If you don't pay those fines within 24 hours, then you'll become WANTED.
Killing WANTED ships in the NFZ is okay and cool, in controlled system NFZ. The police do it. The station does it. You can do it. But you get fined for firing.
So... if you want to earn some credits AND clean up the galaxy, get cracking.
All you need to do is pick your targets. Low-value bounties will lose you more on fines than you gain in terms of bounty credits.
And as you need to get the last shot in to get a bounty, don't bother shooting at ships that the police and station guns are already melting. Chances are, you'll come out with nothing but fines.
But here's where Anarchy and "policed" systems differ. The instant you shoot a CLEAN ship in a policed system, you become WANTED yourself. Which is bad (see above comments about how WANTED ships are welcomed, lol).
So you can't just fly around killing everyone. Only those who are WANTED. It's open season on them.
Yeah, its great; Its great I can ignore this action, and play 'solo online' or 'friends group'. Eve crazies wont have a chance...
Hey no problem; just enter and go about your business in solo online (eventually groups). NPC's?...no problem....
Or ignore the problem; go solo online, and laugh at the [redacted] tears...
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I second this so hard.
Feel free to link to this thread when the next "we need more online players!" one swings by. Being confortable playing is only second to being cannon fodder, apparently.
I don't understand.
In Solo mode, if you are WANTED and the police scan you, you'll be shot at like crazy. That's the very thing that was missing in Premium Beta, and has now been implemented for Standard Beta. Previously, you could swan around WANTED with a huge bounty, right outside Aulin or any other policed station, and there would be no mechanism to notice you or react.
That's not got a lot to do with multiplayer.
Or are you talking about something else?
In Solo mode, if you are WANTED and the police scan you, you'll be shot at like crazy. That's the very thing that was missing in Premium Beta, and has now been implemented for Standard Beta. Previously, you could swan around WANTED with a huge bounty, right outside Aulin or any other policed station, and there would be no mechanism to notice you or react.
That's not got a lot to do with multiplayer.
Or are you talking about something else?