Why take two scanners into the shower, when you can just honk 'n' go?
News Chapter Four - Exploration Reveal
Why take two scanners into the shower, when you can just honk 'n' go?
It wasn't that you shouldn't, just that in all the exploration discussions that I've seen (which is a few) nobody discussed the idea of what would happen to the lack of a basic honk if it was removed and replaced with 'something with more skill'.
Now here we are...
It is precisely this kind of "Module Creep" that needs to be addressed between now & the release of 3.3. Hence why I am urging them to allow players to use their own ships to replicate the action of probes.....albeit with a certain amount of peril involved
.Fantastic list, Gypsy!
In spite of everything, I do have *some* sympathy for those who have gotten used to the old system. Hence why I have suggested potential compromises which would allow some of the better aspects of the old system to remain in place, like the ability to generate a crude system map using the data collected from the Honk, whilst still removing the "Mary Sue" elements of the current Discovery Scanner.
It wasn't that you shouldn't, just that in all the exploration discussions that I've seen (which is a few) nobody discussed the idea of what would happen to the lack of a basic honk if it was removed and replaced with 'something with more skill'.
Now here we are...
Of course, and *puts on future-vision glasses*, engineers will be improving the quality with auto-homing probes, anti-xeno probes and analytical probes. The honk will be repurposed into a "get out of my way, my cutter is bigger than your puny ship" siren for docking/undocking and for use when flying in reverse "honk honk this vehicle is reversing honk honk"
Realistically though, scanning probes were one of the few positive changes that happened in Eve online. And they have (had?) an even more toxic crowd than we do here. I think it's all gonna be fine once the space-tourists realise they can actually explore now. And it's not like anyone at FD is forcing them to probe anything nor anyone (ooh but I do love a good probing...)
And we will have a beta, and anything can change during a beta, especially if it proves to be too much fun.
I'm curious too.
Question: rocks are low energy and gas giants are high energy - can we still and/or how do we quickly identify the presence of earth likes, water worlds, etc in the system after the honk?
Greate minds etc.
Asteroid impact sites!
Non-funpark stuff. Natural every-day POIs which offer opportunities for examining and get some resources.
Still not convinced....the DSS parts are great, that's whats been needed.
The ADS bit, if introduced as explained will create a lot of grief for explorers & IMO may drive them away from possible future content. Let me explain....
So we enter a system in populated space & during our exploration of a planet, may have picked up a couple of pods.
Now a Combat pilot, be it a CMDR or a psycho NPC...
Doesn't have a BLANK radar HUD on their main screen only electromagnetic signals
Doesn't have to fine tune each ship's unique signal scanning around to try & locate that type of ship, doing this time & again until a ship of interest finally appears on his radar.
No!, they immediately see dots, a distracted explorer & BAMM!
What I see from this is the Explorers will have to re-think HOW they are going to explore in-game in certain regions, more so the newer inexperienced players to the game.
I can foresee that exploration will become..
PG/solo mode only
Non PP players
Non content players
Outside the bubble
Cargoless
I know that this is a bit extreme, but it could happen.
I play the game being aware of what's around me all the time, when I enter a system a quick honk while scooping, a quick flick to the System Map, back to normal view, check radar.
Under this new ADS system, it's not only gonna take me longer to get initial system info, but I'm going to be distracted as well while ing around with this scanner, making me a target anywhere in the bubble.
You know, some of us don't like combat.....would 11000 still have gone to the Gnosis, possible going into Thargoid space to explore...using this method??
The ADS bit, if introduced as explained will create a lot of grief for explorers & IMO may drive them away from possible future content. Let me explain....
So we enter a system in populated space & during our exploration of a planet, may have picked up a couple of pods.
Now a Combat pilot, be it a CMDR or a psycho NPC...
Doesn't have a BLANK radar HUD on their main screen only electromagnetic signals
Doesn't have to fine tune each ship's unique signal scanning around to try & locate that type of ship, doing this time & again until a ship of interest finally appears on his radar.
No!, they immediately see dots, a distracted explorer & BAMM!
What I see from this is the Explorers will have to re-think HOW they are going to explore in-game in certain regions, more so the newer inexperienced players to the game.
I can foresee that exploration will become..
PG/solo mode only
Non PP players
Non content players
Outside the bubble
Cargoless
I know that this is a bit extreme, but it could happen.
I play the game being aware of what's around me all the time, when I enter a system a quick honk while scooping, a quick flick to the System Map, back to normal view, check radar.
Under this new ADS system, it's not only gonna take me longer to get initial system info, but I'm going to be distracted as well while ing around with this scanner, making me a target anywhere in the bubble.
You know, some of us don't like combat.....would 11000 still have gone to the Gnosis, possible going into Thargoid space to explore...using this method??
To be honest, this is the most excited I have been about exploration since the game launched in 2014. There are definite mechanical & UI improvements I would like to see im0lemented, but it looks good on the whole.
Rings........ have resources.
I agree, overall it does look good, some thought gone into exploration at last.
Until we get to test it ourselves, we can only deduce how we percieve it may play out.
Given what's been said I would suggest each planet type will have a specific signature along the graph as the SRV scanner does with rock types. They did point out IIRC that there would be overlap between them in some cases.
Meanwhile, back on page 112.
Now, if I travel long distances I check the system map each jump and see what the Stellar Forge has cooked up for me. This might distract me into diving into a system. So a travel session turns into an improv exploration session. I check out more systems than not having the system map at my disposal. And the shame is, with these new probe mechanics, I could be distracted once more during my distraction. It's a vortex of distraction.
If this new system is implemented, I'll just travel. I will indeed honk and scoop and scan the occasional ELW, but there's nothing to tell me: check out this system, it's a great looking system. Travel doesn't turn into an exploration event, it's just buckyballing where I am headed and that's it.
So, no, it's not just force of habit, or getting used to a new mechanic. It's about having less incentives to investigate a system.
edit: Blimey, should have realised this was 10 pages ago. Pre-empt added at beginning of the post.
It's not just about being used to it. Here is what it is:
Now, if I travel long distances I check the system map each jump and see what the Stellar Forge has cooked up for me. This might distract me into diving into a system. So a travel session turns into an improv exploration session. I check out more systems than not having the system map at my disposal. And the shame is, with these new probe mechanics, I could be distracted once more during my distraction. It's a vortex of distraction.
If this new system is implemented, I'll just travel. I will indeed honk and scoop and scan the occasional ELW, but there's nothing to tell me: check out this system, it's a great looking system. Travel doesn't turn into an exploration event, it's just buckyballing where I am headed and that's it.
So, no, it's not just force of habit, or getting used to a new mechanic. It's about having less incentives to investigate a system.
edit: Blimey, should have realised this was 10 pages ago. Pre-empt added at beginning of the post.
This will probably get lost in a sea of posts but anyhow here's my 5 cents...
The main exploration tactic getting nerfed which I personally use is the quick glance at the system map... not for high value or particular types of body (which we can determine from the signatures), but for individual bodies which are in someway unusual, whether it be stand out surface features, an unusual colouring or a particularly close orbit to a nice set of rings. This will not be readily available without using the new scanner to locate these bodies first, in other words, if i wish to continue my search for these oddities, i'll have to actually scan everything in system, just in case there really is a purple planet with green polka dots out there somewhere.
The main exploration tactic getting nerfed which I personally use is the quick glance at the system map... not for high value or particular types of body (which we can determine from the signatures), but for individual bodies which are in someway unusual, whether it be stand out surface features, an unusual colouring or a particularly close orbit to a nice set of rings. This will not be readily available without using the new scanner to locate these bodies first, in other words, if i wish to continue my search for these oddities, i'll have to actually scan everything in system, just in case there really is a purple planet with green polka dots out there somewhere.
Yes, this worries me as well. Be mindful there are a lot of those on the forum who feel the need to typify the kind of exploration you're talking as such. We're not real explorers, or we're fast food explorers or we can't handle chance, or any other Ad Hominem they can think off.
Strangely enough, no one replied to the gist of your posts in this thread. You are describing quite well what the system map means in our way of exploration, but instead of addressing it, you are being characterized as any of the above. That usually means you're making good points. I hope Frontier reads them well.
Hell, get rid of getting credits for the honk for all I care. Just show me the map, or some other visual I can use to see what's orbiting what.
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