LOL
Exactly what do you lose when "tapping out" other than face?
Yes, your Cmdr does, it's labelled Esc
Somehow I knew the anti logging people would defend this, after all, barely a one of you could win a fight without your multiple PP devices.
Opinions on combat logging
- Thread starter mephisto9466
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Exactly what do you lose when "tapping out" other than face?
Yes, your Cmdr does, it's labelled Esc
Somehow I knew the anti logging people would defend this, after all, barely a one of you could win a fight without your multiple PP devices.
I don't have multiple PP simply because I'm lazy lol
still win and lose plenty of fights tho!
I noticed earlier you said as much...
On the other hand you've not been trying to tell me I'm wrong either. Perhaps you've noticed the same things I have.
ah I just know that we'll always disagree on menu logging and I'm not one to beat a dead horse unless it looks at me funny
Fair enough...
Anyway, if you'll forgive me I'm going to call it a night. It is Monday tomorrow after all. Meh!
gotta love being a free-lo... I mean student
First, that is a completely different situation. When you are taking lessons you are actually being trained by instructors and the point is to learn from your mistakes and how you could have approached the situation differently. Simply getting beaten by a superior opponent over and over again teaches you basically nothing and if that is what you are being "taught" then you have terrible instructors. I have done some martial arts training and at the start the instruction is very basic, they don't have you start sparring immediately because you need to have some basic techniques to use first. In fact the mark of a good instructor is knowing the knowledge base and capabilities of your students and ensuring that your instruction is appropriate to their level of training. A martial arts instructor who takes enjoyment from defeating new students over and over again would likely not have progressed very far in their training because they would have struggled with the other important aspects of martial arts training, i.e., displaying discipline and respect, and this is why you rarely see that type of behavior in martial arts.
Second, griefing in Elite not does not involve any sort of "instruction", it's simply being beaten over and over by a superior opponent for "sport". You learn absolutely nothing from getting defeated by a superior opponent when you have no options other than to escape. Racing a Ford Focus against a Porsche Carrera over and over again doesn't somehow make you a better driver when there is literally nothing you can do to make your car match the acceleration or handling of your opponent no matter how skilfully you drive it.
He does however have the ability to high-wake. Maybe consider the "menu logout" option as an "emergency high-wake" button where the ship's computer high-wakes to the nearest system? It also takes 15 seconds and leaves you completely defenceless during that time so there is an obvious drawaback to a menu logout. How is that difficult to accept when we have so many other immersion-breaking aspects in Elite?
Bob Lighthouse
Banned
You would be shocked how few people can subject themselves to losing.
I am suggesting that's exactly issue in Elite too.
Console, sorry.
Also, where in the lore does it account for your Cmdr just disappearing?
Hmmm?
That's simply not true.
They aren't magic "I win modules" by any stretch, and are arguably inferior in many cases.
Besides, I've won my share of real fights.
I can also shoot someone from a pretty good distance away, should they need a shootin'.
Bob Lighthouse
Banned
I mentioned BJJ for a reason.
The pedagogy is entirely different than what you are describing.
I sparred my very first day, as do most of the adult men.
Open is like that.
Bull.
First of all "griefing" is a red herring.
Most PVP players are very helpful and will absolutely teach people, so you are being dishonest.
It's not up to me to consider anything.
I have no reason to accommodate nonsense.
You're dramatically overstating the potency of this equipment.
While I've only used a few of them for a short period in one of the old Betas, my CMDR has faced all of them (except the mining lance) in the hands of countless opponents and I've virtually never felt that he was at a disadvantage. Indeed, I can only think of one such situation...I fought another CMDR in a very similar ultra-light Courier and was forced to retreat because the weapons I had were much less damaging per ton of mass than the Enforcers my opponent (who was equally skilled) was equipped with. Outside of that singular case, I wouldn't even change any of my preferred loadouts if I suddenly found my CMDR with access to every PP module.
Also, while I'm not the best pilot there is by any means, I'm good enough that the overwhelming majority of people who have only had the game for two months would not do well if they pitted their CMDR against mine on remotely even footing. Such a player who spent what little time they have had figuring out PP and grinding merits, rather than actually having their CMDR fight other CMDRs, is going to be at an even larger disadvantage.
That's the player, not the CMDR. For someone who is using RPG aspects as a basis for argument, you seem to have a hard time distinguishing the two.
That's quite the presumption.
Care to put it to a friendly test?
I was interdicted twice by a cowardly cove who said i should 'leave the area', well i tried, he interdicted me again in my wee cobra. He was well on his way to destroyig me when I pulled the plug. For my trouble he put a video up on youtube with his mates sneering at me. What a coward. Bet I would allow him the chance to tap out on the mat if he wants to try! But putting videos up sneering! It makes you wonder if his attitude and his name ……..for many of you know who I mean!) are compensating for something missing in his life. Get down the gym mate, take up jutsu, yoga, flower arranging, karate whatever....dont be a nasty BULLy...I've gone back to not private groups which is sad because theres been some good times in open. Just cant abide bullies.
> Combat logs
> Calls the other person the coward
> Whines on the forums about facing advirsity in a video game. Issues a blanket slander of everyone who plays the game differently than he does.
Pathetic.
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don't care about the in game stuff, that's a game....the sneering on youtube was offensive, do you defend that?
I'm always on board with ridiculing cheaters, so yes.
Bob Lighthouse
Banned
Much better to sneer on the forum, right!
I'm sorry but if you received no instruction on any techniques and were simply being told to "spar" with each other then you weren't actually being trained in a martial art. You can pretend that you "sparred" on your "first day" but that means absolutely nothing if you don't know any of the strikes or stances to use. I also highly doubt that you were beaten over and over by the instructor or senior students for sport, simply because they enjoyed defeating defenseless students.
Open is nothing like that. Sorry but proper instruction is completely different than being beaten over and over again for sport. They are literally opposite ends of the spectrum.
Griefing is exactly what those PVP players are doing when they kill defenseless ships. It is not technically against TOS unless they specifically target a player over and over but it is still griefing.
That is utter nonsense. I play exclusively in Open, always have, and the vast majority of PVP encounters I have been involved in are by PVP players who only engage me under circumstances which are dramatically in their favor. Either they are using a PVP-equipped combat ship against my PVE-equipped multirole ship, or they engage me when I am already damaged or low on ammo, or when they are in a wing and outnumber me, and so on. There is nothing at all "helpful" about that process whatsoever and there is absolutely nothing to "learn" from it.
The best PVP I've had in Elite has actually been against other players in PVE-equipped ships who happen to be on the opposite sides of a CZ. Those PVP engagements are spontaneous and much more balanced because you don't get to "pick" your targets and you don't need to be flying a ship designed specifically around whatever PVP meta happens to be OP at the time. Those have been excellent fights and if the vast majority of PVP encounters in Open were like that I would engage in PVP on a regular basis.
I'm sorry but if you don't like the immersion-destroying aspects of the game, then how can you tolerate playing Elite at all? Simply complaining about the menu logout option is silly when there are so many larger problems with the game mechanics, especially since you will only encounter menu logouts frequently if you engage other players in fights that they can't win. Why exactly are you expecting those players to stay around and allow you to destroy them when they have an escape option available to them?
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I lost my anaconda to a commander last night actually, didnt log, could have. He told me he was against the farming of manatees, you know the CG. I took his reasoning with good grace. Some people just lack grace. Dont they mate?
In this case, you overtly cheated and whatever the flaws of the player controlling the CMDR that attacked you, they were performing a public service by exposing you to others who could be victimized by your actions.
Normally, I'd require multiple examples to be sure of a deliberate disconnection, but an admission is about as clear as it gets. if you could state your CMDR name so that I know to avoid interacting with you in-game, should you decide to return to Open, that would be helpful.
Severing connection isn't in-game stuff. That's something you did to another player because you didn't like what their in-game character was doing to your in-game character.
No, but it would have to be pretty extreme to be more offensive than cheating in a multi-player persistent world game.
Bob Lighthouse
Banned
Typically, you learn 1-3 attacks from a neutral position, and 1-3 escapes from an inferior one.
Then you are welcomed to get smashed up with everyone else.
Most newbies are too worn out from the warm up and drilling.
Btw, the game has tutorials and solo with NPCs.
Open is the advanced class.
In BJJ we have open mat.
Even strangers are welcome to drop by.
There's also the open weight class too.
No, you just have never tried it.
No.
Did you send s friend request or did you send them bile?
I see PVPers helping people every day on here.
I am not interested in all of your logical fallacies.
You can engineer your ships too.
You can use HRPs too.
"Oh. you already have a broken toe, why do you care if you lose a tooth?!"
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LOL
You are being silly.
what do we know about this 4chan person, or the 4chans as he goes by