Cold running gets the ship hotter, but your windows freeze over
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The stored heat would be ejected on a heat sink as a decoy, if you are still running full power.
If you wish to be cold and not storing the heat, turn off the sources, mostly the engine.
With the engine off you probably wont need to run silent, it just won't be making any heat.
" Cold running gets the ship hotter, but your windows freeze over "
I'm missing something here? My windows never freeze over as the ship gets hotter. The only time Ive seem my windows freeze the temp reading was near or at zero. As soon as you do anything to raise the temp above zero the windows thaw.
I'm missing something here? My windows never freeze over as the ship gets hotter. The only time Ive seem my windows freeze the temp reading was near or at zero. As soon as you do anything to raise the temp above zero the windows thaw.
I will try to explain what I mean:
Cold running keeps the heat in your ship. So the interior should become hotter. The heat build-up can even destroy your ship. So if that is the case why does the inside of you canopy freeze over.
And when you activate cold running.
During cold running you stop venting your heat. So that means it stays inside your ship. Nevertheless your cockpit gets colder and colder until the canopy freezes. Why would the cockpit become colder if the heat is kept inside the ship?
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You mean silent running? I would call cold running turning you heat sources off, in which case the heat isn't being kept in the ship - it's not being generated at all. I have never seen the canopy freeze at any temp above zero (or very close too it). As soon as the ship starts to warm up from zero (say you flipped on silent running and/or turned your engines on) the icing goes away.
Sorry If I'm being obtuse or difficult, it's not intentional.
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No you are not obtuse or difficult at all.
Sometimes it is just difficult for people to align.
You say you have never "seen the canopy freeze at any temp above zero".
That is fine, but that is not my point.
My point is that when the heat is kept inside the ship during silent running the cockpit SHOULD become hotter and not become so cold that the canopy starts to freeze. The heat is kept inside the ship after all.
When you eventually eject a heatsink in such a situation you do this to get rid of the excess heat you had kept inside your ship during silent running.
So: There was an excess of heat inside the ship. But if there was such a build-up of heat during silent running, why then is the cockpit so cold that the canopy freezes over.
No you are not obtuse or difficult at all.
Sometimes it is just difficult for people to align.
You say you have never "seen the canopy freeze at any temp above zero".
That is fine, but that is not my point.
My point is that when the heat is kept inside the ship during silent running the cockpit SHOULD become hotter and not become so cold that the canopy starts to freeze. The heat is kept inside the ship after all.
When you eventually eject a heatsink in such a situation you do this to get rid of the excess heat you had kept inside your ship during silent running.
So: There was an excess of heat inside the ship. But if there was such a build-up of heat during silent running, why then is the cockpit so cold that the canopy freezes over.
i dont think you are right in your observation.
Im quite sure while silent running with the ship getting hotter (as beacause you full throttle etc.) you DONT see ice on the canopy.
what you see with silent running and people not moving and not generating heat, the canopy gets colder, as shields are of and engine on zero energy.
Yes... well.... you people have completely confused me now
.I am starting to think you must be right.
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OP is right, I think. Unfortunately, as the ice effect is cool as hell.
Silent Running prevents the release of heat, not its creation.
Cold Running prevents the creation of heat, not its release.
The freezing of your cockpit should be based on the temperature guage left of the scanner, not on the signature indicator (far right). Silent Running obviously increases the temp guage, and, if anything, should make your cockpit windows steam up, not freeze over. Frontier Dev?
Silent Running prevents the release of heat, not its creation.
Cold Running prevents the creation of heat, not its release.
The freezing of your cockpit should be based on the temperature guage left of the scanner, not on the signature indicator (far right). Silent Running obviously increases the temp guage, and, if anything, should make your cockpit windows steam up, not freeze over. Frontier Dev?
Just to mention it here as well: there seems to be a bug where the ship gets hotter and hotter even when all systems are switched off. It would go all the way up to 120% heat, even though nothing is active that could generate heat. Then, when you switch systems back on the temperature goes back down again, which seems to be the complete reverse of what's supposed to happen.
I haven't seen any ice in the cockpit when that happened, though.
I haven't seen any ice in the cockpit when that happened, though.
There are some anomalies with the heat management and ships. Whether it working as intended or not is still not clear to me.
However the issue in the OP does not make sense to me. When the ship is set to not emit any heat radiation that means that thermal energy is not allowed to escape to the surface of the ship. Where it would radiate and increase the thermal signature. That obviously includes the canopy, so obviously it makes sense for ice to form on the inside of the canopy. This makes sense to me of why ice forms when silent running and when simply running with no systems powered.
Also it looks cool.
However the issue in the OP does not make sense to me. When the ship is set to not emit any heat radiation that means that thermal energy is not allowed to escape to the surface of the ship. Where it would radiate and increase the thermal signature. That obviously includes the canopy, so obviously it makes sense for ice to form on the inside of the canopy. This makes sense to me of why ice forms when silent running and when simply running with no systems powered.
Also it looks cool.
OP is right, I think. Unfortunately, as the ice effect is cool as hell.
Silent Running prevents the release of heat, not its creation.
Cold Running prevents the creation of heat, not its release.
The freezing of your cockpit should be based on the temperature guage left of the scanner, not on the signature indicator (far right). Silent Running obviously increases the temp guage, and, if anything, should make your cockpit windows steam up, not freeze over. Frontier Dev?
Yes exactly.
I have been mixing up the terminology silent running/cold running because I thought it was the same thing in ED. But I realize now they are different.
The effect is indeed super cool and I am willing to accept any kind of handwavium to keep it as it is.
So silent running would have to automatically stop the heating of the cockpit too, because otherwise heat radiation would escape via the cockpit.
Yes that is of course a simple and acceptable explanation.
From what I understand of the mechanic.
Having it on silent running, means the usual heat, from the engines and shields isn't dissipainted through the ship and it's hull (and the canopy) where it will get you noticed.
but instead
attempts to "collect" the heat generated from the vessel into a heatsink, which you then deposit.
So the usual heat sources that are continuing to generate heat, that would usually be keeping your window ice free, are having their heat diverted away from hull, the cockpit and canopy and into the heat sink.
Where's the confusion?
Having it on silent running, means the usual heat, from the engines and shields isn't dissipainted through the ship and it's hull (and the canopy) where it will get you noticed.
but instead
attempts to "collect" the heat generated from the vessel into a heatsink, which you then deposit.
So the usual heat sources that are continuing to generate heat, that would usually be keeping your window ice free, are having their heat diverted away from hull, the cockpit and canopy and into the heat sink.
Where's the confusion?
But you can activate silent running without having a heatsink installed.
Yes but not for very long. Your ship will break down when the heat is not released eventually. To avoid this you will have to break off silent running or launch a heat sink.
You guys are overthinking it. It's not the inside of the ship freezing over. It's the outside. Silent Running traps the heat inside the ship, but the outside is getting cooler as a result. That's why the canopy freezes over both with shutting down systems and just Silent Running.