The Star Citizen Thread v9

Cmdr-Wotherspoon

Cmdr-Wotherspoon
There must be a Star Citizen equivalent of Godwin's Law, only with Derek Smart (instead of the German Chancellor of the 1930s and early 1940s). The Star Citizen Reddit is obsessed with the fellow.
 

Zetta

Zetta
Agony_Aunt said:
I was thinking the exact same thing when i read those lines.

As for the financial analysis, the maths look similar to what Harbringer wrote, but their conclusion is a bit different since they point of FD42 being around 64% of total staffing, so the numbers from their point of view are ok.
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The thing that these guys are unaware of, or are glossing over, is that Chris has said US employees cost almost double that of EU employees.

If the 300 UK employees cost them ~$24 million and the remaining 200 employees are split evenly between Germany and the US.
We have $7.7 million for the German studio and ~$14.4 million for the US, so $46 million in total, $22 million for Germany/US, $24 million for UK.
 

Cobra1984

C
Building rent? Mocap costs? Actor fees? Third party contractors? Coffee machine lease?

No, just divide the funding chart by the average employee salary.

What a bunch of dummies.
 

VR jefranklin18

VR jefranklin18
Cobra1984 said:
The reddit post also somehow doubled the actual tax rebate figure so it's completely wrong right from the start.

What a bunch of dummies.
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You probably just don't get accounting.

Don't forget that subreddit has the highest concentration of expertise in development, project management, corporate law and marketing. It is only natural that it would also have it for accounting as well.
 

Harbinger

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Harbinger
Agony_Aunt said:
I was thinking the exact same thing when i read those lines.

As for the financial analysis, the maths look similar to what Harbringer wrote, but their conclusion is a bit different since they point of FD42 being around 64% of total staffing, so the numbers from their point of view are ok.
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Except for the extra £2m they added to that tax rebate column and the £1.2m they shaved off "cost of Sales+Admin". What's an extra £3.2m amongst friends?

You know what's weird? Their assumption of 500 employees with 318 at F42 comes out at 63.6% (318/500*100) of their entire staffing. What was my figure for percentage of actual spending of gross backer funding again? Oh yes 63.61%. :eek: Seasonally spooky.

In all likelihood this is nothing but a weird coincidence, especially given that there's no real clear consensus on average exchange rates as some sites may report calendar years, others tax years. Their IRS source of 0.808 (inverse = 1.237624) would actually be more beneficial to CIG bringing the spend down to 61.1% of their gross but if we go to another government source (HRMC) we get a figure more in line with my initially googled value:

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Jacques d'Orleans

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Jacques d'Orleans
jefranklin18 said:
You probably just don't get accounting.
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Exactly, they just dion't understand the fidelity of accounting. /s

jefranklin18 said:
Don't forget that subreddit has the highest concentration of expertise in development, project management, corporate law and marketing. It is only natural that it would also have it for accounting as well.
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Exactly! And as we all know the CoD, Battlefield subreddits also have the highest concentration of real life combat expertise when it comes to mouthfoaming, oxygen thieving, door licking 12 year olds.
And playing Tom Clancy's The Division makes you a real life operative. :D
Sorry, I think I must re-adjust my cynism meter, again.
 

Kaocraft

Kaocraft
You guys are weird.

"Haha, that restaurant is going bankrupt!"
"And their kitchen is on fire!"
"And their soup recipe doesn't sound very good!"
 

Zetta

Zetta
Viajero said:
Wont you happen to have a link for that? Asking for a friend.
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I've been looking but cannot find the interview, there was a mention of it in the Star Citizen thread on mmo-champion.com but no link.

Edit: Found the post on mmo-champion but the MCVUK article is 404

“We try to be quite smart about development costs, so we do a lot in the UK and two-thirds of our developers are in Europe. It’s far more cost effective. Over here you can have two developers for the price of one in the US. In the places where there’s game development in the US, the price of living is really high. We’re up in Manchester and it’s a lot cheaper to live there than in LA. The average salaries in the industry are less for that reason.”

It’s not just the cost of living, though: “We get basically 25 per cent of the UK cost back from the government. And that allows us to hire more people. We wouldn’t have as big an office in the UK if that deal wasn’t there. I think that was a very good move for the government to do that, because now we have around 250 in the UK, by far our biggest group of people"
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Viajero

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Viajero
Zetta said:
I've been looking but cannot find the interview, there was a mention of it in the Star Citizen thread on mmo-champion.com but no link.
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Thing is I think I also remember it. But can´t quite put my finger on where or when it happened.
 
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MTBFritz

MTBFritz
Jacques d'Orleans said:
Definition of Profit: Profit is a financial benefit that is realized when the amount of revenue gained from a business activity exceeds the expenses, costs and taxes needed to sustain the activity. Any profit that is gained goes to the business's owners, who may or may not decide to spend it on the business. Profit is calculated as total revenue less total expenses. /end quote

CIG is a profit-oriented business, their business is the sale of Video Games (SQ42/SC) and components thereof (virtual Space Ships aka jpegs) thru micro makrotransactions, ofc they have to pay dues in form of sales taxes/VAT and so on. They can call it "pledging" as much as they want, the legal situation is pretty clear.
That pledging bull never had a leg to stand on, except within the circle of "true believers".

I'm pretty sure nobody from CIG/RSI/Crobbers and his cronies will enter the stand and commit a voluntary false testimony while under oath, IMHO, not even they are that kind of stupid. (I might be wrong on that one tho.)
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I m not sure that definition holds if Cash Roberts simply pays himself a fixed monthly wage instead of keeping all surplus. The "challenge" would be to set the wages for himself and his family so high that there is hardly any surplus left which then is poured back into the project. Immediate cuts in case of funding "slows" is taken out on the regular employee instead of cutting into the elites personal wages. Without knowing the wages involved they can legally claim to simply live on a monthly minimum and claiming no profit at all returning everything they make to the projects development.


Viajero said:
Wont you happen to have a link for that? Asking for a friend.
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[haha][haha][haha]


Kaocraft said:
You guys are weird.

"Haha, that restaurant is going bankrupt!"
"And their kitchen is on fire!"
"And their soup recipe doesn't sound very good!"
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Doesnt specify who he addresses with "you guys" instead takes on the whole thread
Provides out-of-context example which make no sense
Fails to realize he is part of "you guys" by participating in this thread


...oh my sides :)
 

Agony_Aunt

Agony_Aunt
Zetta said:
I've been looking but cannot find the interview, there was a mention of it in the Star Citizen thread on mmo-champion.com but no link.

Edit: Found the post on mmo-champion but the MCVUK article is 404
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Someone want to post that in that reddit analysis?

It will get downvoted of course, because they don't like any truth over there that doesn't fit the narrative.
 
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