Modes Open vs STILL does not change with the final update to Horizons...

:D I’m still smiling from the realization that it will be easier than ever to set up a Xanatos Gambit... at least against those who believe they can PvP their way to BGS success. :D

Brett! Please can we have a rule to permaban anyone who links to tvtropes? He just cost me an hour of my life!

I repeat, but will try to be clearer

I got what I wanted with Frontier reviewing Powerplay.

That's cool. As long as you are happy with them reviewing it and doing nothing :D
 
Yeah, you know, when someone posts how well he is in touch with Frontier Development and how we all are clueless and "you'll see!" it quite a bit of fun to remind that somebody how very, very wrong he was. So yeah, I had lots of fun rereading that thread. Often thinking, That 90s kid, he is as clueless as he is certain of himself. :)

And talking about taking things a bit too serious, I am not the one who let this all get to me to the point I changed my name on the forum.

Maybe you should put on your big boi pants and go ahead and admit you have been spectacularly wrong about a lot of things the last year. Things you were certain were going to happen in 2018. But you won't, will you? :)

Oh? WorldsGreatestForumDad is That90skid?

The thick plottens!
 
Oh? WorldsGreatestForumDad is That90skid?

The thick plottens!

The name change was simply a vain (and quite amusing) attempt to be passive aggressive against those whom he perceives as "forumdads", or rather- those whom disagree that the game should be completely changed to cater to his own personal tastes, i.e., "EVE-in-cockpits" or "EVE lite".

Basically, he mainly posts on Reddit now because he knows his vitriol isn't likely to be well received on the forums- all the while casting an illusion (yes, illusion, not "allusion") that the "real" feedback comes from Reddit only.

Sad, but true.
 

Goose4291

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I'm not being anything like that, so stop that right now. All I'm saying is that this is the impression you've given me in the myriad of lively discussions which we've had in the past wherever the BGS and PvP groups have come up in the past, and I'm not prepared to wade through the post history to cite what I'm referring to of someone who's got a 13 page back history on this forum in the last 15 days alone, when we've been to-ing and fro-ing for well over 3 years now, and all I'm saying is that is the feel I get for your opinion based on those discussions. It's not an insult or an attack, so don't misconstrude it as such. All I'm saying is I'm surprised you weren't agreeing with Forum Dad.

That's cool. As long as you are happy with them reviewing it and doing nothing :D

I think it's safe to say that I'll cross that bridge when I come to it, however whatever the outcome is, it definitely won't result in me writing posts aimed at Devs about how I wasnt going to let me nephew spend his pennies on paint-packs, and how the changes have ruined my holiday to Cleethorpes for the weekend.
 
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I'm not being anything like that, so stop that right now. All I'm saying is that this is the impression you've given me in the myriad of lively discussions which we've had in the past wherever the BGS and PvP groups have come up in the past, and I'm not prepared to wade through the post history to cite what I'm referring to of someone who's got a 13 page back history on this forum in the last 15 days alone, when we've been to-ing and fro-ing for well over 3 years now, and all I'm saying is that is the feel I get for your opinion based on those discussions.
And all I'm saying is that you're talking bollox. Anyone who has paid only a smidgen of attention to my posts about this will know that I have often and repeatedly rejected the PvP / PvE divide in this forum. You're not going to shove such an anti-PvPer sentiment in my shoes and not be prepared to back it up when I know it is bollox. So until you take it back, you are being exactly like that.

Do you think it's odd I react like that when you tell me I am the first to judge some of my friends as toddlers with IQs to match?

And a simple search of "PvP" with my name will reveal these kinds of posts, from the first page:
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...nsferable?p=7073165&highlight=PvP#post7073165
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...e-players?p=7032977&highlight=PvP#post7032977
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...nsferable?p=7073077&highlight=PvP#post7073077

Yeah, that took me almost a minute.

But as I said, if you prefer to base your judgement on your imaginary impressions and feelies, go ahead, but don't complain when you get called out on it.

edit: Heh, I also found this ...

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?p=6924821&viewfull=1#post6924821
Funny how you don't object to people coming in here to malign PVPers, on a pro PVP thread.
Which he couldn't back up, but demanded me to debunk the claim. Because he got this impression you see.

Seriously, sometimes you guys ....
 
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I'm happy you guys are so chuffed about the lack of progress. Clearly fdev feels the right thing to do is move pp to open only and is running into the typical roadblock of a certain player demographic screaming like stuck pigs at the thought. Just look at all the fuss over the FSS, and imagine something bigger.

Nothing new about you guys holding the game development hostage.
 
...you're usually amongst the first to declare PvPers having the attention span of toddlers with the IQ's to match...

LOL, it was actually me that said something like that recently. Ziggy is too much of a gentleman to stoop to such words. In my defence I had at the time been taking flak from various of our Pvp brethren, and had lost some of my accustomed sang-froid. *chuckle*

And some of the Pvp people are sweet really, I did get some nice feedback and have learned from some of them, so pardon me and don't put my words in another's mouth.
 
I'm happy you guys are so chuffed about the lack of progress. Clearly fdev feels the right thing to do is move pp to open only and is running into the typical roadblock of a certain player demographic screaming like stuck pigs at the thought. Just look at all the fuss over the FSS, and imagine something bigger.

Nothing new about you guys holding the game development hostage.

You atribute too much power to a small playerbase. The reasons OOPP is delayed are Frontier's. You need to direct your ire at them.
 
Well at least I am happy to see that the game is not changing the Open vs discussion...the modes are STILL going to be included within the BGS.

Sorry to see so many of those people leaving that have stated they were going to do that!

Have you been testing influence gains in the different modes in Beta?
I haven't myself, I'm just curious if any tests have been done.
 
I think it's safe to say that I'll cross that bridge when I come to it, however whatever the outcome is, it definitely won't result in me writing posts aimed at Devs about how I wasnt going to let me nephew spend his pennies on paint-packs, and how the changes have ruined my holiday to Cleethorpes for the weekend.

LOL. I do like you Goose, you do retain a good sense of humour even while involved in a tricky debate.
 
I'm happy you guys are so chuffed about the lack of progress. Clearly fdev feels the right thing to do is move pp to open only and is running into the typical roadblock of a certain player demographic screaming like stuck pigs at the thought. Just look at all the fuss over the FSS, and imagine something bigger.

Nothing new about you guys holding the game development hostage.

I see. So now when players don't want something they shouldn't state their opinion?

Are you realistically trying to say OOPP is not happening because of those of us who object to it?

Hmmm.... that's an interesting position. I can see the devs not wanting to do it if the majority don't want it (although that doesn't always stop devs doing it... Epic have made a number of changes to F:STW that were massively objected to by the community). The thing here is, those who support OOPP made many claims during the height of the debate that a MAJORITY wanted OOPP. They pointed to all the forum posts in support of it.

Hmm.... does that mean FD are listening to a minority? Interesting if true.

More likely its either they have gathered all feedback and therefore:

1) They still want to do it, they just don't have the time and resources right now.
2) The feedback across all platforms and media indicated the majority don't want it.
3) They considered the feedback and decided it was not good for the game, either at this time, or maybe ever.

Or maybe something else.

I don't think you need a tinfoil hat for this one.

As for being happy about it not happening. Well, i'd be happy either way.

I think PP is a terrible mechanic, and one the PvPers are welcome to if they want to spend all their time hauling goods from A to B or grinding out kills to maintain their power.... not that i assume for a minute they will do so. They will hang about in SC looking for opponents to kill, and if PP dies because of going open only, they will blame someone else for it, or if their power fails due to nobody hauling goods, then they will blame someone else for it.

So, if it remains as it is, its good, because it means FD are sticking to their guns about modes, which gives me greater trust in FD.

If it goes open only, i'm probably going to get some forum lulz.

As I said elsewhere, if it goes open only though, I would want the devs to remove all traces of PP from PG/solo. If this is mode exclusive, then i don't want it impacting on the other modes in any shape or form. I don't want to see PP NPCs. I don't want to see the PP map. I don't want PP news. I want all PP effects gone from the systems including cheaper prices in Li Yong systems and black markets opening and closing due to Archon's control.

And at that point, i think it would be best if FD simply split Open from PG/solo and had two separate BGS.

It would give the open only crowd exactly what they wanted.... except, it wouldn't be what they really want. Which would be very funny as well.
 
Why should I bother engaging you, AA? You'll just bait me along and then organize a brigade to spam the report button and have me tossed off the forum. I can't prove it, but I'm sure you've done it to me before. So, no conversation from me, my once respected friend:)
 
Why should I bother engaging you, AA? You'll just bait me along and then organize a brigade to spam the report button and have me tossed off the forum. I can't prove it, but I'm sure you've done it to me before. So, no conversation from me, my once respected friend:)

No PvPer would ever report me.
 
Why should I bother engaging you, AA? You'll just bait me along and then organize a brigade to spam the report button and have me tossed off the forum. I can't prove it, but I'm sure you've done it to me before. So, no conversation from me, my once respected friend:)


So instead of answering you are going to use the tack of making a baseless accusation as a dodge?
 
A little Learning is a dang'rous Thing;
Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian Spring.


A perfect Judge will read each Work of Wit
With the same Spirit that its Author writ,
Survey the Whole, nor seek slight Faults to find,
Where Nature moves, and Rapture warms the Mind;


Getting used to oneness. Ever had to face consequences?

























Welcome, its Open.
 
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