PvP Is nonconsensual PvP really that much of a problem?

[Bob Lighthouse]

LOL, they practically sent out invitations to be stream sniped!

Comparing that to the everyday occurrences most players face is not honest.

 

[Deleted member 38366]

LOL, they practically sent out invitations to be stream sniped!

Comparing that to the everyday occurrences most players face is not honest.

We weren't talking about the "everyday occurrences" throughout the Galaxy.
And, they asked politely for others to join in. "Join in" in ELITE/Open by now means : gank us.

It's nice though that you brought that up, since it's gotten so normal that everybody 100% expects it to happen within Minutes. With it setting in like clockwork, it never fails.
That's reality - and reality has that nasty habit of always being brutally honest.
Now why their making that mistake of showing everything that's wrong with ELITE and Open Play everytime? Beats me. All they ever do is highlight how deeply flawed and toxic the Game has become in Open. Not advertising material.

Obviously, the average Player operating in the middle of nowhere will have a different experience. Open will play exactly like Solo Mode, nothing new. Yet, that wasn't subject of the discussion.

Still, despite all the blatant issues - I'd say keep it as it is. That battle has long been lost, reviews written, customers and revenue lost. That's how FDev wanted it apparently, not my business.

 

[Dietger]

Just ask FDev Livestream guys, I've heard the last one was a blast. Will got blown up. In Open. Then again. And again. In a Mining Type-9.
Sounds familiar? It should, because that's how it always ends for those poor guys. Symptomatic and it happens all the time.

Do you ever play Open?

Can't take you serious.
You either never play Open or you are trolling to get things going here lad. Ridicules.
Comparing a highlighted Dev stream against an average player perspective on a day by day basis, ... cheap or nonsense? Which is it?

And, no, I am not here to get you upset. I do not need that.
Good faith, or something divergent? If you are posting in good faith, just in case, you know PvP does not require communication or excuses? No role play, no apologies?

I never complain about modes I do not play. Do not play, because I do NOT like them. And I can't have an Opinion, about things I do not know. Take it as an advice.



S!

 

[PeLucheuh]

We weren't talking about the "everyday occurrences" throughout the Galaxy.
And, they asked politely for others to join in. "Join in" in ELITE/Open by now means : gank us.

It was not "don't gank us" either. It was "join in" in ELITE/Open where anyone can play the way he wants within the framework of the game rules.
The mistake (a common one) is on you there who assumed it should have been in a unique friendly way by deliberately ignoring every other way the game can be played according to its rules and mechanics.

It's nice though that you brought that up, since it's gotten so normal that everybody 100% expects it to happen within Minutes. With it setting in like clockwork, it never fails.
That's reality - and reality has that nasty habit of always being brutally honest.

Yeah it is normal and 100% expected because it is 100% part of the game and supported by rules and mechancis. Yet you seem to be upset about reality.

Now why their making that mistake of showing everything that's wrong with ELITE and Open Play everytime? Beats me. All they ever do is highlight how deeply flawed and toxic the Game has become in Open. Not advertising material.

They only showed how bad they are at the game. They know a gank could happen but did not use any of the already existing and available stuff to prevent it while broadcasting their position.
In reality what's flawed and toxic are people expecting things to happen in a specific way while deliberately ignoring how things can go and then complain for no other reason than being frustrated.

Obviously, the average Player operating in the middle of nowhere will have a different experience. Open will play exactly like Solo Mode, nothing new. Yet, that wasn't subject of the discussion.

Still, despite all the blatant issues - I'd say keep it as it is. That battle has long been lost, reviews written, customers and revenue lost. That's how FDev wanted it apparently, not my business.

Well, i guess reality has that nasty habit of always being brutally honest.

 

[Deleted member 38366]

Do you ever play Open?

All the time.
It's okay though, in the Past related diacussions turned out pointleas. This one is no different.

Mods already telling me it's time to leave, so I'll simply do that.

 

[Havvk]

Lol you think you're better than us because you're on PC. Good thanks for showing your true colors. I was gonna try to have a reasonable debate with you but I'm not gonna waste my time trying to convince someone who thinks they're better than me because of what system he uses.
Lol what a joke

Or you can get the stick out of your butt and not get bent and twisted just because I poked a little fun about a platform. Why not be witty and poke fun at something that PC doesn't have but consoles do?

 

[Florenus]

Or you can get the stick out of your butt and not get bent and twisted just because I poked a little fun about a platform. Why not be witty and poke fun at something that PC doesn't have but consoles do?

Let's not bring RDR2 into this discussion please

 

[Stellar Shepherd]

One thing I've been wondering is, how come interdictions are so terribly one-sided? The attacker has full advantage from picking a target to winning the interdiction, at this point "Always submit" checkbox should exist in the menu. Perhaps introducing risks to the interdictor would balance things out?

 

[mp4x]

People gripe a lot about PvP, and act like the game is full of griefers and bullies. But most people are just as worried about losing their ships and their work as the next guy, and don’t want to ruin other people’s fun. If I ever get interdicted by another commander, it’s because I throw caution to the wind and don’t take precautions to avoid being interdicted, or name my ship something really corny and silly to bait people. Normally I’ll just see who has an FSD Interdictor and see what they’re up to. And most the people who like PvP aren’t garbage, antisocial human beings. Is nonconsensual PvP that much of a problem, or is it overblown and people are overly cautious?

Nope.1500+ hours in, spaced over a few years, I've been interdicted less times than I can count on one hand. Two of the three or four times was awesome, and by a roll-play pirate CMDR. It was a lot of fun, and I gave up the cargo

 

[PeLucheuh]

One thing I've been wondering is, how come interdictions are so terribly one-sided? The attacker has full advantage from picking a target to winning the interdiction, at this point "Always submit" checkbox should exist in the menu. Perhaps introducing risks to the interdictor would balance things out?

How do you explain i am winning 90% of interdiction attempt against me (from other players of course) ?

 

[Stellar Shepherd]

How do you explain i am winning 90% of interdiction attempt against me (from other players of course) ?

I don't know, that's something you'll have to tell me, how do you win 90% of interdictions against you, by a player? Where did you come up with the 90% figure and how frequent are those inerdictions in your case?
I'm just following the consensus that interdictions are barely winnable against players. And you're not really helping with just stating a percentage with no frequency or time frame given.

 

[mp4x]

For what it's worth, escaping interdiction is much easier if you're using a mouse. Are you using a mouse?

 

[AP Birdman]

All the time.
It's okay though, in the Past related diacussions turned out pointleas. This one is no different.

Mods already telling me it's time to leave, so I'll simply do that.

Yeah because all you do is come into these threads and drop hateful and ignorant comments expecting people to agree with you.
You provide no solutions and make no attempt create a conversion.
You think me and my friends are gonna change our ways because you called us anti-social? All you've done is give us more of a reason to blow you up and make eat more rebuys.
You're attitude is just toxic and does nothing to bring the community together.

 

[AP Birdman]

Or you can get the stick out of your butt and not get bent and twisted just because I poked a little fun about a platform. Why not be witty and poke fun at something that PC doesn't have but consoles do?

Don't try to sugar coat your toxic, elitist mentality.

I have no stick up my butt, I'm happy to blow you up and I'm happy with the way the game is, you're the one that came in here crying about getting ganked.

 

[Havvk]

Don't try to sugar coat your toxic, elitist mentality.

I have no stick up my butt, I'm happy to blow you up and I'm happy with the way the game is, you're the one that came in here crying about getting ganked.

Eh if I was crying about getting ganked, you'd see me posting 30 threads about how PvP should be removed from the game and how all PvPers should stop being big meanies. But...I don't think I even made any thread about anything, let alone this topic before.

 

[AP Birdman]

Eh if I was crying about getting ganked, you'd see me posting 30 threads about how PvP should be removed from the game and how all PvPers should stop being big meanies. But...I don't think I even made any thread about anything, let alone this topic before.

Lol, yeah you're not complaining about anything

It's the griefer/gankers that give all the bad rep that clouds PvP as a whole. In games like this, there is really no actual way to tell the difference until after victim is killed or robbed.

 

[Florenus]

Lol, yeah you're not complaining about anything

Actually, this:

It's the griefer/gankers that give all the bad rep that clouds PvP as a whole. In games like this, there is really no actual way to tell the difference until after victim is killed or robbed.

can hardly be described as complaining. It's merely an opinion on the state of things.

I find it amusing that you're instantly getting agitated when someone even mentions griefing or ganking in any bad way, while those two terms actually describe two kinds of negative behaviour in any MMO game.

If i'm not mistaken you've even called yourself a ganker?

Hello, professional ganker here.

So... you team up with others to attack players that have no chance against you and to score easy kills, because you suck otherwise?

Or maybe we have different understanding of those terms?

You might argue what is and what is not griefing in Elite (and it would be probably good thing to establish that first), but griefing on it's own is simply toxic behaviour.

Many people say that there is no such thing as griefing in game like Elite, where you don't need a reason to attack other players, and attacking is part of game mechanics. I can see logic in that, although I would argue that actions like ramming other players into station, blocking the exit etc. might be considered griefing. I probably used that term too freely on previous occasions myself, simply thinking about people who enjoy ruining other people's game.
Ganking is a term that simply describes a way of being a jerk.

 

[Stellar Shepherd]

For what it's worth, escaping interdiction is much easier if you're using a mouse. Are you using a mouse?

I am, but isn't it much easier for the interdictor to follow the target, what would you say are the odds of winning an interdiction on each side? Also that doesn't address other points I made. What are the interdictors risks? After the interdictor is unsuccessful does he drop out of sc with fsd cooldown?

 

[Leper Messiah]

I've said it a before but the issue is this:

The main problem and complaining occurs when there is a colossal chasm between either the skill of the player or the build of the ship or the number of assailants. We all know that "ganging up" in any way shape or form is the act of complete cowards, it's been happening throughout history and pixels or no pixels is the SAME human behavioural trait. Regarding player skill, it's like a top level sports team/person playing a team from WAY lower....I'm not talking Premier league V lower league (uk footy), I'm talking Premier league V pub team. Regarding ship build it's like a youngster in a kart V an F1 car.

It's the GAP that is the issue, if the odds were fairer then there would be less complaints, the gap is clearly ridiculous at times. FD should either have in game methods to punish Seal Clubbers or the game should have some sort of match making system to even the odds.

As it stands FD would have to actually pay me money before I'd even consider swimming in the same waters as that sort of pond scum. And before other PvPers complain about that, I'm not calling ALL PvPers that, just seal clubbers. You pick on the weak you are lowlife even if it is pixels. I mean just analyse it a bit..... gaining enjoyment from destroying the weak...just how can anyone justify that?

TLDR: FD should punish seal clubbers.

 

[Marra Morgan]

What are the interdictors risks? After the interdictor is unsuccessful does he drop out of sc with fsd cooldown?

Yes. Go do it and see for yourself.

You pick on the weak you are lowlife even if it is pixels. I mean just analyse it a bit..... gaining enjoyment from destroying the weak...just how can anyone justify that?

Without them you wouldn't have your moral high-horse, would you?