i didn't, but i probably was drunk too at the time, and i know what you are feeling now quite well. if it helps!
(btw good way to handle it)
Not to sound ungrateful, but no love for LEP?
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i didn't, but i probably was drunk too at the time, and i know what you are feeling now quite well. if it helps!
(btw good way to handle it)
I found it an entertaining bout where everyone mis-understood in novel ways but in the end Jukelo spoiled my fun by nailing it.
My Cobra MkIV miner "Minor" is black Friday black, as it should be. I think it's ironic that the meta for 3.3 mining will favour the CIV, makes me wonder if it's intentionally gimped design is another thing the designers of 3.3 forgot to consider. Could be a stealth pay to win buff for the early adopters of course, we can't rule that out
Repped [haha] ... many a true word and all that.
Nope, not by any stretch.
indisputable.
i actually went to look for horizon's announcement to check: https://community.elitedangerous.com/en/node/247
it was quite clear: planetary landings and exciting(tm) things, and technically that checked off. subjectively, it all revolves around how exciting the exciting things really are, and ymmv. some, myself included, regarded beyond as a form of making right because of everything horizons had not managed to excite or even had managed to mess up. in retrospect though that's not really fair because, like it or not, the total amount of content is still huge. then again i don't see the need to point out constantly that beyond is free. what i care about is if it is any good.
That's exactly why I said, "no additional charges" in the first place but I don't recall reading that you said it was free for those who already had Horizons but I might have misread.
When you buy a piece of software, you (generally) purchase it's updates as well, ED is an example, FD could have rebranded all of Beyond as 2.x and continue from 2.4 while calling it part of Horizons even if you weren't concious of it just as you bought all the updates (except DLCs) when you bought ED even if you didn't know what was contained in them. Either way, Beyond isn't completely behind the additional charge of Horizons to begin with so your argument doesn't hold.
I never stated any such things but it's rather clear that the money came from the customers alongside investors, the difference being that investors look to get revenue while customers look for a product. Thus, I did finance Beyond but indirectly (unless all of it was spent on JWE or PC).
I also didn't state that, for all I know FD could have rebranded Beyond as a new DLC and I would have bought it (unless it was a rip-off but I'm sure they measure their prices). In such case Beyond would have an additional charge.
Yes it did, it just didn't come as a direct cost which was the decision of FD as you comment.
Well I still cannot buy a Cobra Mk 4
Seriously I will pay for one please I want one so badly I need to fly it... please Fdev D:
Let me fill that hole in for you then - "Hey, that's not cool. It makes the rest of us look bad."
No involvement is often the right call. Some people didn't think through what they were buying and have decided that FDev is to blame no matter what. Even if FDev gets involved today the saltworks won't stop, so next week there will be an identical thread and it will be groundhog day yet again.
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Oh the irony of a poorly made acronym. People willingly paid to become LEPers and wonder why the community pokes fun at their percived neglect.
The Cobra Mk.4 was a timed exclusive for those who pre ordered Horizons and those who purchased Horizons within a strict time period.Well I still cannot buy a Cobra Mk 4
Seriously I will pay for one please I want one so badly I need to fly it... please Fdev D:
True, the only thing that gets some saltier than communication from FDEV is no communication from FDEV.
By not bothering they achieve exactly the same result without wading through abuse and conspiracy theories.
The Beyond updates were specifically intended to improve the game as it currently stands. Some game mechanics were considered "placeholder" and members of the forum, and possibly elsewhere, were asking for these issues to be addressed before adding any more new content.
FD listened to that and did something about it.
So they are currently focused on talking about and delivering the Beyond updates.
When they are done with that they will talk about what comes next. If that is not new chargeable content, then we can start asking the question about LEP commitments.
Forcing FD to talk about something before they are ready to will always lead to disappointment because they will invariably mention something they later have to change or delay.
How any of this is not completely obvious is Beyond me. Hahahahaha Hahaha. Ha.
Ok, I'm done.
FD listened to that and did something about it.
So they are currently focused on talking about and delivering the Beyond updates.
When they are done with that they will talk about what comes next. If that is not new chargeable content, then we can start asking the question about LEP commitments.
Forcing FD to talk about something before they are ready to will always lead to disappointment because they will invariably mention something they later have to change or delay.
How any of this is not completely obvious is Beyond me. Hahahahaha Hahaha. Ha.
Ok, I'm done.
OK. So, we're all agreed.
It's not free.
We're just not paying any more.
Glad we cleared that up once and for all.
I am happy to split hairs with you and say the 'Beyond' series of updates have been given to us 'at no additional cost'.
I wonder if those who complain about Frontier calling Beyond free would be happier when they called it 'at no additional cost' instead. I seriously doubt it, after all it's not Beyond being free which bothers them but Frontier not looking like a greedy evil company.
I expect there is no involvement because this topic is a broken record where FDev have responded in the past. I know we lose any cargo when we face a rebuy screen but does that also include our memories?
I am not a LEP owner but I do know that there is future DLC coming after this year (don't know when) that I will have to pay for but the LEP owner's will not.
Personally I would have paid Frontier for the whole of the Beyond series so I appreciate that I am getting it all for free. I am therefore happy to support Frontier through buying midnight black paint jobs and other cosmetic items on the store.
I see it now. A written rebuke on the forum always pulls everyone into line.
Suppose I could give it a try. Your idea of mob rule is repellent and shouldn't be tolerated in a civilised society.
There's nothing tolerant about trying to ban opinions in the name of civilization.
I believe your right and that those arguing the semantics probably wouldn't be satisfied in either case.
Personally I believe that FDev bit off more they could chew when it came to Horizons delivery which is why it took so long to get it all out there. Hopefully they will have learned from that mistake and will be able to deliver on whatever schedule they have planned for the release of new content moving forward in a more timely manner. I only wish they would be more communicative about what the model and schedule will be so that they set a reasonable expectation for their customers.
LEP holders need to remember that we didn't pre purchase to receive extra content. We did so to receive the paid expansions, nothing more, nothing less. My honest opinion is that if FDev believe LEP holders have waited too long and deserve 'extra goodies' that they should give those extra goodies to non LEP holders as well as a gesture of goodwill to all its customers or none at all.
We are all in the same boat. We are all waiting for new content whether we have already paid for it or not.
They can't be any more communicative.
Some people get upset whenever they announce anything, even announcements. Some people have meltdowns whenever something changes even though its inevitable. Some people get very upset if they are not constantly reassured that what was said last time is still relevant.
We all know what the schedule is, its exactly the same as last time. That won't stop this thread being a weekly fixture though.
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