Not to sound ungrateful, but no love for LEP?

[Crimson Kaim]

You are right that there was no new information in this post from Ed. It would have been a pleasant surprise if there was, but mostly just a surprise - we are not expecting new information just yet.

What it did say with rather more diplomatically chosen words than your own post, is that Fdev are aware that this is a contentious issue and that it is not being overlooked or brushed under the rug. This is all good. Come January, hopefully we will know more.

You know, there was a time where I was excited when clicking on that "staff posts" icon on the right hand side of a thread.

To be fair to Frontier ever since the beginning they've operated the same silent until they have something to announce routine.

You can criticize them for that approach but it's nothing new.

I just checked your forum profile and it shows that you joined the forums in mid 2016. Being here since around release, we had a time where weekly sneak peeks were included in the newsletters and developer updates were actually a thing as well as frequent balancing updates and scheduled content updates that didn't have undefined delays or taken half of their content away.
Oh, we also had an official statement of FDev claiming they'd do something about combat logging as well as rewarding players who "stick around" in the fight an such, yet combat logging is as frequent as back in the release dates and nothing has been done about it ever since. Here, check this out.
Shall I assume that will change in 2019? Or maybe 2020? Too much has been said that didn't trigger any actions. What makes it all worse there are no official statements explaining the reason for abandoning things. We have been promised the return of the dev updates and sneak peeks for example. Only that this didn't happen and after multiple requests to state why this didn't happen all we got was:

 

[Phoenix_Dfire]

There has been a major hint that I think has been missed.

What about those mysterious videos found in the the first Beta of 3.3? They seemed to imply some kind of mission pack or packs.

Now I'm quite willing to bet my spare copy of Elite : Dangerous - Legacy that those packs will have to be paid for, except for people with LEP.

I also suspect that these Mission Packs are not the big new project that Zac was talking about either. I suspect that big project will come under the LEP as well.

 

[Wizz15]

They may expect you to, but you do not need to have made a previous purchase to have a free product. The distinction is quite clear.

...

Who still had to buy a product to receive the updates at no additional cost.

Some terms:

Free (of charge)
Complimentary
Gratis
On the house


They all mean the same thing: supplied or given without charging for that given item. It doesnt matter if you paid for something else before or not, whatever you are being offered currently is free (of charge) or 'on the house'.

It's totally irrelevant whether or not the company making the offer has the price of the item factored in somewhere else. Fact of the matter is that you are offered something at no additional charge.


Not even sure why people are still arguing over semantic meaning of the word 'free'. The LEP definition on what will be free is quite clear and not left to imagination at all.

 

[StuartGT]

Some terms:

Free (of charge)
Complimentary
Gratis
On the house


They all mean the same thing: supplied or given without charging for that given item. It doesnt matter if you paid for something else before or not, whatever you are being offered currently is free (of charge) or 'on the house'.

It's totally irrelevant whether or not the company making the offer has the price of the item factored in somewhere else. Fact of the matter is that you are offered something at no additional charge.


Not even sure why people are still arguing over semantic meaning of the word 'free'. The LEP definition on what will be free is quite clear and not left to imagination at all.

Well said.

 

[PiLhEaD]

It's amazing how FDev learned to write alot but say nothing at all....

I totally get what you're saying, but what Ed's post does show is that they recognised that something needed saying.

Despite the absence of detail I think that the fact that they recognised the need to post is an improvement to be welcomed. I also think that if this had happened on the first (of the many) LEP threads, then this whole subject would have become much less contentious.

 

[Lightspeed]

I totally get what you're saying, but what Ed's post does show is that they recognised that something needed saying.

Despite the absence of detail I think that the fact that they recognised the need to post is an improvement to be welcomed. I also think that if this had happened on the first (of the many) LEP threads, then this whole subject would have become much less contentious.

I'd like to agree with you there, but we might have thought that Ed's statement would bring a conclusion to this thread, and yet it just seems to continue with a life of its own

 

[SpocksOddSocks]

I'd like to agree with you there, but we might have thought that Ed's statement would bring a conclusion to this thread, and yet it just seems to continue with a life of its own

Or, at least, stuck in it's own feedback loop.

 

[PiLhEaD]

I'd like to agree with you there, but we might have thought that Ed's statement would bring a conclusion to this thread, and yet it just seems to continue with a life of its own

Yeah, agreed, alas this point was allowed to fester for way too long (not so much in this thread, but the subject overall was imho very poorly managed) and so became and remains, a hot topic. Anyone still remember the 'Hotel California' thread? Happy days!!

Anyway, let's get back to bald men arguing over the price of a comb.

 

[Ian Skippy]

I totally get what you're saying, but what Ed's post does show is that they recognised that something needed saying.

Despite the absence of detail I think that the fact that they recognised the need to post is an improvement to be welcomed. I also think that if this had happened on the first (of the many) LEP threads, then this whole subject would have become much less contentious.

I don't know. Really, all they said in this topic is basically ", yeah, that thing we said a few months ago is still true." If that is what they should have said earlier, well, they exactly did say that earlier. Things would be much easier if people would stop getting panic attacks when FD doesnt re-affirm the latest thing again and again. As a rule of thumb, whatever was last said is still true. There, anxiety cured.

 

[PiLhEaD]

...As a rule of thumb, whatever was last said is still true...

An information vacuum is fine as long as you have trust.

In this case trust has been undermined by the 10 month delay/silence between '2018 has premium content', to '2018 has no premium content', despite numerous threads asking for an update - so the 'rule of thumb' does not apply here.

So, I think that the fact that they recognised the need to post is an improvement to be welcomed, and the matter for now can rest there.

 

[Mengy]

I'd like to agree with you there, but we might have thought that Ed's statement would bring a conclusion to this thread, and yet it just seems to continue with a life of its own

Funny how a lack of information over a long period of time can feed rampant speculation and anxiety like that. [blah]

At some point Frontier is going to have to start talking about the LEP situation in a meaningful way. It can't be avoided forever, especially given how they are already missing on the promised LEP content being delivered for the 2018 Beyond season.

 

[Red Anders]

I just checked your forum profile and it shows that you joined the forums in mid 2016.

Just so you know, he's a beta backer. Forum accounts don't tell you everything.

 

[Riverside]

I don't know. Really, all they said in this topic is basically ", yeah, that thing we said a few months ago is still true." If that is what they should have said earlier, well, they exactly did say that earlier. Things would be much easier if people would stop getting panic attacks when FD doesnt re-affirm the latest thing again and again. As a rule of thumb, whatever was last said is still true. There, anxiety cured.

I think time has told that these LEP threads never head towards consensus, this one hasn't either. Personally I find it baffling why some choose to try to antagonise the frustrated posters rather than just ignore what they clearly interpret to be the raving of lunatics.




The basic issues are really easy to grasp, and it's okay to disagree on how much of a problem any of this is but disagreeing with the amount of communication (for example) means not being concerned, not frothing hostility.

Everyone, regardless of whether they have already paid or not, or how much they paid, wants to know more. Everyone wants more game. Nobody wants less of either of these things, and those of us that have paid in advance all have different views on where the patient/pushover line is drawn.

No owner of a LEP should be expecting anything exclusive, nor should the non LEPers feel they are denied access to anything because their money is still in their wallet. If you (the reader of this) think differently from this WRT the LEP, you are wrong.

There really is nothing more to gain from this thread. The OP's question has been answered (no more info will be forthcoming at this time). Many, many contributors will continue to fail to understand the very simple difference between something that is 'free' and something that is 'free with this other thing you have to pay for' and frankly it doesn't really matter whether you understand Marketing Speak or not as long as FDev do. Most of the LEP confusion stems from misinterpreted Marketing Speak, so I think it's ironic that several of the posters in this thread simultaneously berate LEPers for not fully understanding what they bought and miss the subtlety in the debate over what constitutes 'free'.

 

[Backelaer]

I just really hope that all the energy you good people put into this thread, will pay off for you all in the end.


But then I start thinking: What does 'pay off' really mean?
Perhaps you guys can sort me out here?

 

[Wobblin-Gobblin]

The Lifetime Expansion Pass holders are still set to receive something this year.

So, 2018?

I'm very impressed

 

[Stigbob]

Some terms:

Free (of charge)
Complimentary
Gratis
On the house


They all mean the same thing: supplied or given without charging for that given item. It doesnt matter if you paid for something else before or not, whatever you are being offered currently is free (of charge) or 'on the house'.

It's totally irrelevant whether or not the company making the offer has the price of the item factored in somewhere else. Fact of the matter is that you are offered something at no additional charge.


Not even sure why people are still arguing over semantic meaning of the word 'free'. The LEP definition on what will be free is quite clear and not left to imagination at all.

For exactly the same reason people insist on failing to recognize separate meanings for the word gamble. Its a hard time to be doom-monger, they are having to scrape the bottom of the barrel.

 

[Stigbob]

I think time has told that these LEP threads never head towards consensus, this one hasn't either. Personally I find it baffling why some choose to try to antagonise the frustrated posters rather than just ignore what they clearly interpret to be the raving of lunatics.

The thing I don't get is why people need it all to be repeated at least once a week instead of just waiting for new information from FDEV.

 

[Riverside]

The thing I don't get is why people need it all to be repeated at least once a week instead of just waiting for new information from FDEV.

It doesn't. Each thread is started by some different person not realising it has come up before. It's a contentious topic for some though, including me and apparently you too

 

[Stigbob]

It doesn't. Each thread is started by some different person not realising it has come up before. It's a contentious topic for some though, including me and apparently you too

Lack of research again, same as the whole modes "issue".

 

[Riverside]

Lack of research again, same as the whole modes "issue".

It's a forum, people ask the same 30-40 questions regularly & some topics are more contentious than others. I try to placate & find common ground, you generally do your thing, and sometimes we agree.

Maybe next time you could just post a link to a faq, or make a wall of text like Jockey's one for modes if you find this all too distracting. Or you could just ignore them & leave it to someone a little more patient