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I'd disagree a bit there, but my use cases are not perhaps average. One very useful aspect of SSD's (to me at least) is that their sequential's are insane. That allows me to create VM's and lob them off to wherever they need to be on the network basically at full wire speed (let's say a gigabyte a second), and then dumped to traditional disk at a more leisurely rate - let's say a hundred or so megabytes a second. The time savings are immense.

It is true that even with a daily normal use, we feel a bigger dynamism with a SSD.
 
The data does persist on the drive after it's deleted by the OS (which really just ignores the deleted file anyway unless you scrub it / securely delete it)

No idea how data persistence lifetimes compare between SSD and platter but you can certainly recover deleted data from SSD.

Using a scrubber frequently on nuke from orbit settings will shorten the lifespan of an SSD too.

Grab a copy of recuva and run it on your SSD and see what it finds :)

I thought that the cells was reset to 0 after deleting but I just read that we must do a Secure Erase (also as you said).

:)
 
I thought that the cells was reset to 0 after deleting but I just read that we must do a Secure Erase (also as you said).

:)

You certainly get less information back from an SSD compared to a platter drive but SSDs will still contain some of those kitten and puppy videos people think they have deleted forever.

Avoid using Gutmann erasure processes though which always seem to be a option nuke from orbit on erasing applications as 35 passes will not make your SSD stay happy for ever :)

It's very easy to test how roughly how well an erasure process has worked and it's very quick on an SSD as I'm sure you know.
 
I just upgraded my system with my first SSD.

It is certainly faster/more responsive. Though not mind blowingly so. I suspect it is one of those mods there is no going back from though i.e. you notice it way more if you go back to a spinning drive.
 
I'd disagree a bit there, but my use cases are not perhaps average. One very useful aspect of SSD's (to me at least) is that their sequential's are insane. That allows me to create VM's and lob them off to wherever they need to be on the network basically at full wire speed (let's say a gigabyte a second), and then dumped to traditional disk at a more leisurely rate - let's say a hundred or so megabytes a second. The time savings are immense.

Sorry, I'm talking FPS... File transfers and such will be noticeable but it is extremely rare to notice any improvements in frame rates. I don't believe that I've ever seen an article that demonstrates a higher framerate that is outside the margin of error. The only time it might help in game is loading an extremely large map or game level, but while affecting the framerate, that really isn't about it.

I just upgraded my system with my first SSD. It is certainly faster/more responsive. Though not mind blowingly so. I suspect it is one of those mods there is no going back from though i.e. you notice it way more if you go back to a spinning drive.

No doubt! I had to run mine on a spinner recently and OMG will this thing ever get done!
 
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Sorry, I'm talking FPS... File transfers and such will be noticeable but it is extremely rare to notice any improvements in frame rates. I don't believe that I've ever seen an article that demonstrates a higher framerate that is outside the margin of error. The only time it might help in game is loading an extremely large map or game level, but while affecting the framerate, that really isn't about it.
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Not talking FPS here but in flight sims, using photoscenery and enhanced scenery the use of SSD has made a huge difference to my enjoyment. Loading times for such stuff is greatly reduced resulting in faster start-ups and elimination of "choppy" or "stuttering" environments.
 
Yeah, TRIM isn't meant to be a security feature in normal use; it's there to aid garbage collection and wear leveling, reducing write amplifcation and slow downs as a drive would otherwise get filled up with deleted data. It does make it more likely that files will be unrecoverable, but it's not perfect.

SSDs also don't always react the way mechanical drives do to zero filling or an overwrite, as the logical storage is abstracted for the same purposes and almost all SSDs have more physical NAND than their logical capacities.

Formating (even a quick format) or deleting partitions off an SSD will prompt modern OSes to TRIM the entire drive at once, which will usually get rid of everything.

However, if you want to be 100% certain all data is gone, you'd need a manufacturer supported secure erase utility, or physical destruction of the NAND.

I'd just have some fun and smack, burn, spit, throw, punch and step on it.
 
I'd just have some fun and smack, burn, spit, throw, punch and step on it.

Meh - everything that can conceivably be termed "data storage device" here has to be held for at least seven years (much longer in some cases) and then securely shredded under supervision. Including devices that never "stored" data except in some obscure legal meaning. Would you consider a dumb layer 1 switch a "data storage device"? Well, apparently in some legal jurisdictions yes - it is.

Completely bonkers, but it is what it is.
 
You certainly get less information back from an SSD compared to a platter drive but SSDs will still contain some of those kitten and puppy videos people think they have deleted forever.

Avoid using Gutmann erasure processes though which always seem to be a option nuke from orbit on erasing applications as 35 passes will not make your SSD stay happy for ever :)

It's very easy to test how roughly how well an erasure process has worked and it's very quick on an SSD as I'm sure you know.

For my SSD Samsung, I'lll never use something else than the Secure Erase of Samsung Magician application which is delivered with the SSD.

:)
 
I just upgraded my system with my first SSD.

It is certainly faster/more responsive. Though not mind blowingly so. I suspect it is one of those mods there is no going back from though i.e. you notice it way more if you go back to a spinning drive.

A bit like the VDSL and the fiber optics.

:)
 
Meh - everything that can conceivably be termed "data storage device" here has to be held for at least seven years (much longer in some cases) and then securely shredded under supervision. Including devices that never "stored" data except in some obscure legal meaning. Would you consider a dumb layer 1 switch a "data storage device"? Well, apparently in some legal jurisdictions yes - it is.

Completely bonkers, but it is what it is.

I wonder how much damage I can do with a bit of information...
 
Not talking FPS here but in flight sims, using photoscenery and enhanced scenery the use of SSD has made a huge difference to my enjoyment. Loading times for such stuff is greatly reduced resulting in faster start-ups and elimination of "choppy" or "stuttering" environments.

That's pretty much what I was saying. Some of the better flight sims have huge maps so it would help them. Kinda funny it doesn't to help with the load times in ELITE when you pop into a system or station and get that stutter in VR...
 
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