The mapping gold rush in 3.3
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My wife just gave me 'real' chores to do before I go back to the game. I guess that makes me real enough.
Have fun, fly far, take pretty pictures.
Heh, yeah, I have chickens to take care of and other outside chores to attend to as well. Should find time to "fake it" later though.
Contrary to what is (apparently) popular belief - although goodness knows I've said enough times that FD can wipe my tags with my blessing, especially if they wanted to do a Forge rework - I don't give a hoot about tags, so I have no special plans to be anywhere when 3.3 arrives. I might go out to Six Rings o' Silver (NGC 5460 Sector DL-Y e6) just to see if there's any interesting stuff on the planets there, but I'll not be rushing.
ditto, (aah, failing to reply "with quote"......responding to "going to map my first ELW" )
everything else is just too much work, I'll just have to bask in the faded glory of "First Discovered"
btw...Syralia is MINE no matter who maps it, its hard to see but this beast is named SULTAN OF SYRILIA as it was purchased with the proceeds from first discoveries of said sectors borders and central systems ( star and one at least one landable planet from each
..for the pedantic,, not eeeevery single system obviously...…#NOTAREALEXPLORER)
everything else is just too much work, I'll just have to bask in the faded glory of "First Discovered"
btw...Syralia is MINE no matter who maps it, its hard to see but this beast is named SULTAN OF SYRILIA as it was purchased with the proceeds from first discoveries of said sectors borders and central systems ( star and one at least one landable planet from each
..for the pedantic,, not eeeevery single system obviously...…#NOTAREALEXPLORER)
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None of us are chap, we're all pixel pilots enjoying the game in our own way. It matters not a hoot what others perceive as being a 'real' explorer, its what YOU think that matters..
Fly safe and far whether travelling, exploring, transiting or just playing for shucks and giggles..
I have 5 or 6 ELW's marked but unscanned in live game just after the Beta dropped. Only 2k out of the bubble. I plan to scan those then head off to the back of beyond somewhere for a long trip.
I only have till the end of January to 'fake it' before real life takes me away from the game till May.
I only have till the end of January to 'fake it' before real life takes me away from the game till May.
Honestly, I was gonna camp Beagle Point until I saw this thread. Now I don't know if I want to...
But I'm a contrarian! I'll do it anyway!
But I'm a contrarian! I'll do it anyway!
Now see...Beagle Point could be interesting for the Mapped By tag because it sets up a mad dash buckeyball to actually turn the data in.
HIP 22460 anyone?
O7,
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O7,
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I asked about this in the Beta forums, and got piled on by Forum Dads who consider any criticism of the new exploration mechanics high treason against their personal wishes for what the game should be... But now people are openly discussing this, I'll repeat it here; Any system that's already been tagged has been "mapped" for all intents and purposes, all the new content does is put an even more complex, deliberately slower gate in front of it. And the Codex apparently is taking the data from "Mapped By"... which means yes, people are going to be getting credit for things people have already claimed, and that's absolutely disgusting: Especially when those of us who wanted to share them unselfishly with the community have given you all the details to find them by and take the credit off us.
I was already depressed by finding that I'd published nebula on the forum, named them, but in the community records they'd been renamed by people who'd simply followed a submission path I wasn't aware of. The idea of having the in game Codex work on tolerance of the horrible new "exploration" has genuinely soured me against the new patch. And as expected, it doesn't look like Frontier is going to leave enough time to actually respond to the larger feedback. We're getting what's on beta, and I'm genuinely worried about it.
I was already depressed by finding that I'd published nebula on the forum, named them, but in the community records they'd been renamed by people who'd simply followed a submission path I wasn't aware of. The idea of having the in game Codex work on tolerance of the horrible new "exploration" has genuinely soured me against the new patch. And as expected, it doesn't look like Frontier is going to leave enough time to actually respond to the larger feedback. We're getting what's on beta, and I'm genuinely worried about it.
That's funny, I am sure I saw as many people against as there were for in the beta forums, and some of our earliest and greatest explorers were actually thinking of quitting over the changes, I suspect a bit of confirmation bias at work here.
And no systems that have been "tagged" haven't necessarily been "mapped" unless the tagger flew up to each and every body and did DSS on it, and I can assure you that doing that, in every case, would be slower than using the FSS to do the same thing. They have been located, like an old sea explorer might put an island on his chart with a blank interior to show that the island hasn't been mapped yet, but mapping and tagging certainly aren't the same thing.
I don't even know how to respond to this, just posting, "I dub this nebula X" on the forums was never going to work, I don't even know why you thought it would. For a name to be accepted in any field of work or endevour there's always going to be a formal submission process. I made sure to look through the exploration forums to apprise myself of stuff like that, it seemed obvious to me you couldn't just name stuff and expect everyone to accept that name.
Looks like you're unaware of context here, which means quite a difference. With Titler, the following happened, in chronological order:
1. He posted his planetary nebulae and names in a thread
3. Later still, a Commander who knew the locations of the nebulae, most likely from the forums, decided to visit and submit them to the GMP, with some new names, without checking in with Titler. I'm saying they knew of them because they had them up on a public Trello board as locations to check, and only a few.
That said, the GMP isn't a "formal submission process" anyway. Said nebulae are still named in-game by their procedural names, so while we might pretend for various reasons (such as simplicity of referring to stuff) that different objects have different names, in the end, with the absence of an in-game player submitted naming mechanism, it's Frontier who names stuff.
I didn't know that the Codex will be populated by "First mapped by" tags though. Well, it makes sense, but is unfortunate. Personally, in my opinion adding a "first mapped by" tag was a mistake, but Frontier have said that it's deliberately so that new players can get to tag stuff again, even within the bubble. Meaning it wasn't an unintended mistake, it's by design.
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If you're talking about the ones posted here (link) those did not predate the GMP, they were posted 18 months after the GMP was founded. The thread itself, created by Koala, didn't even exist when the GMP was founded either. Now I may have been a little careless in my search as its nearly 4 years ago, but i remember scouring the forums of the time, reddits, and external sites to see if there was anything resembling a mapping project being set up, or anywhere for players to catalog their interesting finds. I found nothing of the sort, hence the birth of the GMP.
EDSM and all the third party logging tools never existed either - they all came after the GMP. I never found anything that anyone was doing to record explorers finds prior to February 2015 when I got back from Beagle Point. If something predates the GMP I'd like to know about it as i'll happily incorporate links to it in the GMP intro, as one thing I've vehemently been a supporter of is preserving as much of the early history of exploration in Elite Dangerous as possible.
Now on to the submission process; as has been discussed on this forum recently, its impossible for the GMP team to sift through the masses of posts, threads, reddits, personal blogs, and YouTube videos looking for names people have given their discoveries, hence why the GMP has always put the emphasis on who submits their entry to the thread first, and not necessarily on who discovered what in game first. Its the ONLY way it can work unless you expect people to take this up as a second job and are prepared to cross check, scour websites, and constantly amend and rename things when earlier source material is uncovered.
The bottom line is people do this for a hobby, not a job. And its not official by any stretch of the imagination, and no one is forced to use the GMP names. There's now a fantastic website called Elite Galaxy Online for example, and i'm sure that doesn't use GMP names on a lot of its entries. So there are options for people to submit their discoveries to beyond the GMP. At the end of the day, its FDs call on what gets named what, the GMP is fan-fiction, pure and simple. If people don't like it, you're not forced to use it, so I'm not sure why you're always seemingly putting it down.
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My bad, I misremembered the dates and was wrong about them, sorry. I've corrected my post to reflect this. The main point wasn't about the GMP anyway, but to inform varonica that they're missing important context. Which was that Titler was upset because the GMP submitter knew about the nebulae, but didn't ask him about the names, and got to name them instead.
Which led to an even more important point, one that you shared: it's FD's call on what gets named what in-game anyway.
As for something personal:
First, thanks for being honest. When people talk about something and they're missing what I believe is important enough information, I say it. (If you read through my posts, you'll notice that I did so much more often about non-GMP related topics than GMP-related.) However, tell me: before this, did I ever say anything about the GMP that was factually incorrect? For which I apologise, again. Now, if I were "always seemingly putting it down", then why do I recommend the GMP to people, and why do I contribute to it? Of course, I understand that negative things are easier to spot, that's only natural. Especially if someone says it in a place where it doesn't often get said. (Such as if one went on Reddit and said that the upcoming exploration changes aren't all perfect, compared to if they did it on this subforum.) If you'd rather I didn't in your thread, then say so, and I won't.
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Obviously we will have to wait to see in game for absolute confirmation, but in the Beta, I was seeing the new codex entry popup when I resolved the body using the FSS, so no, I don't think the First Mapped tag after probing the body will be necessary for codex population.
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As an explorer, i will map to explore, not for fame. I have found and claimed an earthlike world, roughly 150 ly from the bubble, on my first trip to the Pleiades in 3301... I guess, that will be my first and only candidate i really want to get my mapped by on.
I remember the trip well... I was on a stock Cobra Mk. III with a basic discovery scanner... dozens and dozens of jumps - and i was almost killed by an NPC on my way back to the station.
I remember the trip well... I was on a stock Cobra Mk. III with a basic discovery scanner... dozens and dozens of jumps - and i was almost killed by an NPC on my way back to the station.