Petition to remove/rebalance Frag cannons

[Lestat]

Even though my video has been used to show how OP double shot frags are, You have to keep a few things in mind.

They are quite hard to use effectively, you have to be super close to get max damage, and you have to time your shots exceptionally well. So unless you can hold your target perfectly in place, frags are going to be far less effective.

Trying to fire at targets beyond 300m is a waste of time, meaning if you can keep your distance from someone who is using frags, you have a significant advantage. Frags will do minimal damage, beyond that range.. If you look in my video you will often see some targets that can hold fire on me, but I cant shoot back as they are too far away for me to fire effectively on.

Are frags powerful, yes indidly do... super powerful, but their drawbacks keep them in check. Do they need to be Nerfed.. NO.. ABSOLUTELY NOT..

Quick question. Do you know any of the other CMDR Builds? Like if they are Engineered or not. What type of Armour they are using and shield types and such.

 

[elkiller]

Even though my video has been used to show how OP double shot frags are, You have to keep a few things in mind.

They are quite hard to use effectively, you have to be super close to get max damage, and you have to time your shots exceptionally well. So unless you can hold your target perfectly in place, frags are going to be far less effective.

Trying to fire at targets beyond 300m is a waste of time, meaning if you can keep your distance from someone who is using frags, you have a significant advantage. Frags will do minimal damage, beyond that range.. If you look in my video you will often see some targets that can hold fire on me, but I cant shoot back as they are too far away for me to fire effectively on.

Are frags powerful, yes indidly do... super powerful, but their drawbacks keep them in check. Do they need to be Nerfed.. NO.. ABSOLUTELY NOT..

Hey Vindicator Jones how yuo doing mate, love your videos. I used your videos to show the damage but i also used other video of someone doing pvp on a RES.

here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2aIxrAHpZE

 

[elkiller]

Quick question. Do you know any of the other CMDR Builds? Like if they are Engineered or not. What type of Armour they are using and shield types and such.

so you want me to go to a RES where there is a bunch of commanders(which is very unlikely to happen in 400 billion systems) and ask them what are their builds??

you're just coming out with excuses so let me use your own argument against you. Make a video that proves that what i say is wrong.

 

[elkiller]

Two possibilities
1)Your position is indefensible=You're demonstrably wrong
or
B)You're unable to defend your position=You have too much difficulty engineering the ship and making the video in order to prove your point. For a demonstration you need to control all available variables.

I don't blame you. I think I generally fall into the second category. I got a nice rig but making videos requires learning I'm not willing to do right now. Building an adequate ship requires more time than I'm willing to spend. So I get used to losing arguments because I have a whole bunch of opinion and speculation and little actual substance.
If it's important enough to you you'll make the time.
Remember though that it's easier to prove someone wrong than to change the game.
So you venting? You venting? You venting.

My biggest challenge is to unlock some of the engineers that i need and then make the build. The footage i can do it Ok. i was experimenting yesterday in a corvette with G2 frags double shot fixed on a RES yesterday and i was able to strip some condas it took me about 5 minutes to kill each one because im not used to fixed weapons. im going to change the ship because the corvette weapons placements is too far apart. but you are rigth tho these folk just like to talk but when you ask them for proof they just use dismissive argument like: make your own videos, that guy was not engineered or that is probably a noob.

 

[elkiller]

Quick question. Do you know any of the other CMDR Builds? Like if they are Engineered or not. What type of Armour they are using and shield types and such.

quick question: which build do you think is faster to make 6 double shot G5 frags or 6 hull reinforcement HD G5 with 4-6 shield booster G5 RA/HD combo?

im going to borrow your argument here for a second:

go get a any ship fit it all G5 defensive mods HR/SB and get a buddy of yours to use G5 DS on you at point blank so you can prove how wrong i am.

that way i can save time and you will prove your point because so far im the only one that have provided numbers an footage. so far what have you presented? what if's , speculations and accusations.

Dont be lazy

 

[elkiller]

He could download fraps I also think Nvidia also has video capture. Or if computer power is an issue they could use a Cellphone or a camera with video recording That if their computer could not play the game and record at the same time.

So there no real reason for the Op says he can't do his own videos.

hey good point, you could do the same and proof me wrong.

 

[elkiller]

When will you do your OWN videos? Come on. That video is over 11 Months old video and also has an SLF NPC flying about. We also don't know what been engineered on the other players. All we know is "Frag Cannon Gunship - Elite Dangerous PVP" Does it tells us anything else? NO.

If you want to prove your point. DO YOUR OWN videos. Stop looking for the video to try to prove your point. You keep failing by doing that.

You know for someone that like to demand for other to make videos you sure haven't done not even a 3 second clip to prove me wrong. DO YOUR OWN videos. and prove me wrong, because so far you got nothing.

 

[Misty_Dark]

Hey Vindicator Jones how yuo doing mate, love your videos. I used your videos to show the damage but i also used other video of someone doing pvp on a RES.

here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2aIxrAHpZE

When watching your lastest linked Video to prove your point, lets refresh your initial statement.,

Too many times i have seen fully engineered codas corvettes and cutters being killed in less than 5-7 shots by commanders using pacifiers and Large G5 frags and flying vultures and clippers.

In the video, we see a Gunship, with 6 Frags. So not a Clipper or Vulture, so more guns.

Now lets counts the number of kills of player ships in this video.

First encounter, Anaconda, takes 30 shoots from 6 frag cannons! and escaped with 46% hull.

Second Encounter, Anaconda, takes 114 shoots from 6 frag cannons!!! and escaped with 42% hull.

Third encounter, Python, takes 24 shoots from 6 frag cannons, and dies.




So your claim was, fully enginered large ships gets destroyed in 5-7 shoots, by Vultures and Clippers. And your proof is a Gunship that failed to destroy ANY ship within 5-7 shoots. And of the 3 ships attacked, the two LARGE ships took way more than 5-7 shoots, and still had over 40% hull left when they could safely leave the combat.

The last ship was a medium ship, Python, that took 24 shoots to kill.



I can clearly see how Frag cannons are overpowered... That any player with a Vulture or a Clipper will destroy ANY of the large ships in 5-7 shoots, your latest video has certainly NOT proven this statement at all.