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the FSS, watching paint dry....
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That's what they all say [heart]
Everyone wanted more than "jump-honk-scoop-fly-way-the-frell-over-there-point-wait-fly-way-the-frell-over-there-point-wait", so yeah it's valid to claim: it's better than nothing.
The thing is, I'm not very keen on the fly-nowhere-aim-at-blob-slide-if-needed, each system I think may be off interest. The mechanism would be better if I didn't need to use it so frequently.
Oh I'm already very handy with it, it's not a case of me needing to learn the ropes. It's not as if it requires that much skill to master.
It is very much a mini-game, no matter how many layers of make believe you put over it. It is a mini-game. It's a hoop I need to jump through to get to the point where I decide whether I want to jump through that hoop. Realise that I'm not dumping on the mechanism an sich, I'm annoyed that I need it before I know whether I want to use it. It forces a hit/miss ratio on me which is very low.
This is, and isn't true. Of course the localisation of POIs are a great boon. But I find I'm traveling the system way less than I was before.
That's a bold prediction. Plus you are demonstratively wrong. Whether or not you like to explore systems is not the determining factor of loving the feature. I'm in the process of giving it a chance, I have no choice in the matter, I have a long way to go before I get back. But to state you are confident I will fall in love with it is a little strange. Don't tell me what I like, love, going to like or going to love. I like exploring systems, after I know what it looks like. I don't like exploring samey system #34.982.772
At the moment the best way I have found of dealing with the FSS is looking for ELWs, WWs, AWs and HMC terraformables and mapping those, finding the occasional POI. And not really caring to go through the whole system to see what it's made off. I hate not knowing that, but I hate resolving entire systems even more. I have become the fast-food cherry-picking explorer everyone accused me of being before.
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"Like watching paint dry?" Huh? Clearly you didn't use it prior to making this post. Watching paint dry suggests you sit there doing nothing waiting for something to happen over a long period of time. That's not the new FSS at all. Its more of a furious search then slide-bar then click activity so you can discover the planets as fast as possible and move on. If you are sitting there waiting for it to do something on its own you are gonna wait a long time.
I can understand if you don't like the new FSS. Everybody can have there opinion. I understand you had a tough time setting up the controls and maybe had a tough time figuring out how to use it. But criticizing something when you clearly don't understand it is pretty silly.
From the thread it appears your actual criticism was your difficulty in setting it up and difficulty learning how to use it.
Fine tune your keybinds, would be my suggestion.
Fine you've got it working - understand it cool - next step, try to use as few off button moves as can. (Ergonomics. Used to improve productivity of assembly workers if you want to read up on it. Small moves Ellie, cool stuff).
For example, my tuning scale controls WERE nearer my right hand when I first set up, now it's on the left (aim control on right hand, as right handed). That's knocked a huge chunk off my scan time. Even more, if you don't wait for the planet to resolve out, 'beep' and pull back. Check system map when done.
You could even count how many tuning moves you make to a discover system, fewer the better? (Maybe. Factor in reticule moves too).
Fine you've got it working - understand it cool - next step, try to use as few off button moves as can. (Ergonomics. Used to improve productivity of assembly workers if you want to read up on it. Small moves Ellie, cool stuff).
For example, my tuning scale controls WERE nearer my right hand when I first set up, now it's on the left (aim control on right hand, as right handed). That's knocked a huge chunk off my scan time. Even more, if you don't wait for the planet to resolve out, 'beep' and pull back. Check system map when done.
You could even count how many tuning moves you make to a discover system, fewer the better? (Maybe. Factor in reticule moves too).
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Ironically, I envy you. I had put ED up on the shelf and was happily enjoying a bunch of other games, and then this update came and I got hooked on exploration again. However... There is so much WRONG with this update, in particular it looks absolutely rubbish on PS4. Old bugs were made worse, new bugs were introduced, and WHERE ARE MY FRICKIN STARS?
So I'll probably end up shelving ED once again, but I will really, really miss exploration, and I'll be suffering FOMO about what's out there that I might have discover first, and in general be sad... I'd much rather just think, "This game is crap" and walk away without giving it a second thought.
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After reading Ziggy's post above and after several multi hour exploration sessions under my belt with the new mechanics, I have to say I'm in 100% agreement with all of his comments.
I know that different people explore in different ways, but evidently I explore pretty much the same way Ziggy does because he hit's the nail on the head.
I know that different people explore in different ways, but evidently I explore pretty much the same way Ziggy does because he hit's the nail on the head.
Yeah, the new mechanics seem very well suited to world type cherry picking credit farming exploration. But for me, it still isn't how I get my kicks playing the game.
The most fun I've had with it so far is actually not using it and just happening across a couple worlds in a system in supercruise, then DSSing them. The "explorer" and completist aspects of my nature had me park up to FSS the rest of the system and DSS the rest of the worlds. This was a mistake.
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So many ways this could be worked out. They could tie it into "professions" where a planet hunter might take the FSS but a discoverer might use a different module that just happend to restore the old honk in its etirity. Just please do it fast
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So many ways this could be worked out. They could tie it into "professions" where a planet hunter might take the FSS but a discoverer might use a different module that just happend to restore the old honk in its etirity. Just please do it fast
They're not gonna maintain parallel code paths to do the same exact thing.
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I like it. I already saw more of the planetary strucktures that were implemented, than i did before. And i will try to make a valid conda built with mining equipment to have a variety of different things to do in the black while exploring...
I've found loads of stuff in the past few days I never found before, it's become so routine I don't even bother to land, I just scan them from my ship & move on. I am quickly running out of interesting things to look for because nothing is rare any more. Perhaps that will change in a future update.
Probing rings for mining should be a solid, ongoing task. I have no interest in mining but for those that do the probes revealing hotspots should significantly lower the skill barrier for locating sites for mining missions.
A Major Swing And A Miss...
I think the new FSS was a good idea, however, I feel that it ruined exploration. For starters it used to only take me a few minutes discover all the planets in the system. Now it takes me anywhere from 30 minutes to an hour. And that doesn't even mean that there will be anything of value in the system. Secondly it doesn't seam to make sense with the story. We used to have technology that allowed us to instantaneously discover everything in the system but now the technology requires hours to discover everything? We took a major step backwards in technology? That doesn't make sense at all. This was a major swing and miss. This was my favorite game but I think this last update ruined exploration and ruined the game for me.
I think the new FSS was a good idea, however, I feel that it ruined exploration. For starters it used to only take me a few minutes discover all the planets in the system. Now it takes me anywhere from 30 minutes to an hour. And that doesn't even mean that there will be anything of value in the system. Secondly it doesn't seam to make sense with the story. We used to have technology that allowed us to instantaneously discover everything in the system but now the technology requires hours to discover everything? We took a major step backwards in technology? That doesn't make sense at all. This was a major swing and miss. This was my favorite game but I think this last update ruined exploration and ruined the game for me.
And the old model of "honk -> dss -> jump -> repeat" took a lot of skill and wasn't tedious at all [haha]
Quite. It's no improvement.
I would call it a lateral improvement. The overall experience might not be drastically better, but it created the basis on which to further expand gameplay. Before, there was nothing to build on.
Call it whatever you like, mate.
Exactly. Different people like different things, the ADS should not have been removed.
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So I'll probably end up shelving ED once again, but I will really, really miss exploration, and I'll be suffering FOMO about what's out there that I might have discover first, and in general be sad... I'd much rather just think, "This game is crap" and walk away without giving it a second thought.
Totally agree. If ED totally sucked I could forget about it and move on, instead I'm stuck here on the forums begging FDev to reconsider so I can get back to doing what I love.
I've spent a fortune on Steam over the last month, trying to find something that hooks me for more than a few hours, the way ED did.
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