The Star Citizen Thread V10

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OK, I'm asking you serious now, do you get briefed before spouting that PR babble bullsh*t or are you really that kind of naive?
Also Ortwins brother Gundolf is not part of CIG, so why even talk about him? He's unimportant to the case.

What are you talking about? The reason I bring it up is because CR and Ortwin are surrounded by famous and reputable people. Which wouldn't be the case if they were bad characters.

That's the thing I met these people. So anybody else is much more in a bubble. They are very nice and passionate. I saw their actions in person. Sleeping less to meet every one of your community members is a sacrifice many dev's don't do for example.

Additionally if they were bad people they wouldn't care that much for backers in the event or avoid the tough questions which many did ask. They on the other hand never doubled down on whatever was raised.
 
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What are you talking about? The reason I bring it up is because CR and Ortwin are surrounded by famous and reputable people. Which wouldn't be the case if they were bad characters.

That's the thing I met these people. So anybody else is much more in a bubble. They are very nice and passionate. I saw their actions in person. Sleeping less to meet every one of your community members is a sacrifice many dev's don't do for example.

Additionally if they were bad people they wouldn't care that much for backers in the event or avoid the tough questions which many did ask. They on the other hand never doubled down on whatever was raised.

You were in the actual tickle chamber?

With Ben Lenslock himself????
 
What are you talking about? The reason I bring it up is because CR and Ortwin are surrounded by famous and reputable people. Which wouldn't be the case if they were bad characters.

That's the thing I met these people. So anybody else is much more in a bubble. They are very nice and passionate. I saw their actions in person. Sleeping less to meet every one of your community members is a sacrifice many dev's don't do for example.

Additionally if they were bad people they wouldn't care that much for backers in the event or avoid the tough questions which many did ask. They on the other hand never doubled down on whatever was raised.

Seriously?

If people are shovelling money into your pockets the absolute least you can do is hang around and pretend you're interested in them.
 
What are you talking about? The reason I bring it up is because CR and Ortwin are surrounded by famous and reputable people. Which wouldn't be the case if they were bad characters.

Yeah, Bernie Maddof was surrounded by famous and reputable people too, just sayin'. Being surrounded by famous and reputable people doesn't make yourself one. Jeez, seriously, dude, burst your bubble and at least try to arrive in the real world.
Also you might go and ask Kevin Costner about Crobear, I would love to hear what he has to say about that. :D
 
What are you talking about? The reason I bring it up is because CR and Ortwin are surrounded by famous and reputable people. Which wouldn't be the case if they were bad characters.

That's the thing I met these people. So anybody else is much more in a bubble. They are very nice and passionate. I saw their actions in person. Sleeping less to meet every one of your community members is a sacrifice many dev's don't do for example.

Additionally if they were bad people they wouldn't care that much for backers in the event or avoid the tough questions which many did ask. They on the other hand never doubled down on whatever was raised.

Bootcha met them all too, in a professional capacity as an investor.

He displayed some of the photos in his excellent Sunk Cost Galaxy youtube series.

He took his money out and parted ways a long time ago, and said recently on a podcast that he believes 2019 will be CIG's final active year.

I don't believe Bootcha has ever commented about whether he believes they are "bad people", but his actions speak volumes to how he saw their investability and competency.

Edit - Sunk Cost Galaxy
8 part video series from an ex-Star Citizen investor

Part 1
https://youtu.be/gGq4YEp8QUY
 
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Yeah, but Chris also said that the Carrack would be hangar ready by the end of 2015 in 10 For The Chairman ep 51.

Then 14 months later a dev said in a 10 For the Devs they had "plans to build that soonish".

Then the following month in 10 FTC ep82 Chris said it would have a big holo table and a sophisticated Nav Map system, and all of this was being worked on and in development and would all roll out as part of the Stanton System.

So now all of a sudden it's "tied to exploration mechanics" when in 2016 it was being held back by "a bunch of UI/UX updates that have to debut first".

Its almost like they... lie... to everyone's faces... over... and over... and over.... Keep giving this guy hundreds and thousands of dollars, you can trust him... lol.
 

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So painting it as a cash raising exercise for a company in financial trouble may be a mistake, guessing or just us being glass half empty kind of folk?

No, there were multiple transactions and it was definitely a cash raising exercise, both for the company and the directors:

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The 113,861 brand new shares raised £17,037,021 ($22,725,884.70) in cash for the company, Indus Management Ltd got a 10% stake, Erloch Ltd got a 0.22% stake, likely as a finders fee.

In addition to this the 3 directors sold off a quantity of their own personal stock holdings amounting to a further 1.66% in equity going Infatrade, a company that helped with the financing of Lucky Number Slevin which Ascendant Pictures (Chris' former production company) produced. This raised an additional £2,768,155 (£3,692,474.75) for the directors, not the company. If the money was intended to go to the company they would have just conjured up new shares in addition to the 113,861 they created on the same day. The directors would have received:

Ortwin: £389,187.63 ($519,141.99)
Chris: £2,184,298.74 ($2,913,661.96)
Erin: £194,668.63 ($259,670.79)

NOTE: USD amounts are based upon the mid-market rates listed on xe.com for May 23rd 2018 (1.3339118457), the date the transactions occurred.
 
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@Zyll I am in the forum that claimed that large worlds won't make it into SC. That claimed that FPS mechanics are scrapped. That physics grids won't be added. That procedural planets are a pipe dream. Also claimed that Procedural cities are impossible. All of them are in Star Citizen and even more.

Now I hear claims of Server Meshing being impossible. Guess another tick is awaiting to be checked? So tell me what else is impossible next and as the years go by we will see it happen.
Hmmm...you should quote those exact people when and why they are beeing saying those type of things....Now I personally still believe that game will exist at the end in some shape&form but I doubt it will be even close to fulfill ALL CIG&CR(LIES) promises,also I am 100% sure that many people ain´t going to like what they see and thier bubble of expectations going to burst spectacularly when they realize all of that... + this whole development process was and still is a TRAINWRECK in process and as Massively OP put it best it is definitely Worst MMO Business Model for last few years and I dare to said probably EVER....Your Hero Chris his wife Sandi and few other"shameless"devs openly lying and deceiving many naive backers with their weekly propaganda shows and daily PAID BORED shill-episodes on youtube still promising things that they are certain they can´t deliver at least not in the near future and probably many of them never.....

Zyll
To be fair to Nowak. I play the game/tech demo as well and I think it is fun, In fact I am going to log on in 5 mins, are you saying that it is not fun?

"FUN" is certainly subjective/personal feeling and I never said that some people can´t enjoy playing SC atm....the real question is how long you think the "FUN"is going to last for you?
I also enter into the game/tech demo from time to time and enjoy in nice and shiny graphics&scenery but I get BORED after 15-20 min as I missing crucial aspects of game play and I am certainly not enjoying in this horrible FM combined with thousands of bugs,glitches and laags....
 
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While I was hoping that the lawsuit would force CiGs hand I never specifically understood the uproar about it nor am I particularly interested in it. Somehow the theoretical outcome of the lawsuit is discussed as an "ultimate" when it comes to Star Citizen when in reality all it does is endanger SCs completion a very one-sided course of action. If the lawsuit fails we are back where we were BEFORE the lawsuit meaning no game, glacial progress and zero consumer rights from CiG. CiG doesnt really "gain" anything from winning this lawsuit. That something like it arose in the first place tho....oh I m sure that Crytek is just a bunch of haters...the instant go-to explanation of the shills and white knights who cannot accept that people are less then impressed by this mess of a "game".

The lawsuit is representative of the rest of SC - It's dragging on for years, will probably go nowhere, but it fills the lulzbuckets of anyone not totally polarised on the issue.
 
Regardless of of where you reside the US income tax is based on world wide taxation for its Citizens and also for Green Card Holders, which means he must declare it as foreign income even when not permanently residing in the US.
Albeit, I don't know if there are US-UK tax treaties with exemptions to that.

I can't speak with any understanding but I just pruchased a property here in NZ and had to complete a declaration that I wasn't a US citizen or US tax payer as the NZ Govt would share the info with the US tax department if I was.

But anyway further thoughts OT
 
No, there were multiple transactions and it was definitely a cash raising exercise, both for the company and the directors:


The 113,861 brand new shares raised £17,037,021 ($22,725,884.70) in cash for the company, Indus Management Ltd got a 10% stake, Erloch Ltd got a 0.22% stake, likely as a finders fee.

In addition to this the 3 directors sold off a quantity of their own personal stock holdings amounting to a further 1.66% in equity going Infatrade, a company that helped with the financing of Lucky Number Slevin which Ascendant Pictures (Chris' former production company) produced. This raised an additional £2,768,155 (£3,692,474.75) for the directors, not the company. If the money was intended to go to the company they would have just conjured up new shares in addition to the 113,861 they created on the same day. The directors would have received:

Ortwin: £389,187.63 ($519,141.99)
Chris: £2,184,298.74 ($2,913,661.96)
Erin: £194,668.63 ($259,670.79)

NOTE: USD amounts are based upon the mid-market rates listed on xe.com for May 23rd 2018 (1.3339118457), the date the transactions occurred.

So they raised 17m capital for the company and put a few million in the bank for themselves?
 
I don't understand how anything negative can be expected from them?

As has been mentioned, you'd be better off looking at their past acts for that, rather than basing your estimation off how nice they were at what was essentially a fund raiser.

The Freelancer example for Chris is a pretty telling one, in terms of modern gaming dev. Huge promises, but no meaningful delivery. Only a buyout and him being removed from control saw it get made, and then to nowhere near the dream pitch. There's a reason why he's just credited with 'original concept' on the final product.

But feel free to think of him in superlatively positive terms only. It's certainly how you seem to think of his pre-alpha ;)
 
<snip>Their tech debt has lessened to just Server Meshing (Which is huge 2-3 years) <snip>

So is it fair to say then, that the game won't be "not an alpha, not a beta, not early access, but full release" by 2021? Given an outside figure of 3 years to produce the server meshing, which will finally allow for the fabled 100s of players in each instance?

In that 3 years will we also see all the old ships implemented with associated gameplay? The medical ship, the agricultural ship with biomes, the news reporting ship?

Oh and the other 100 star systems with functioning inter-stellar travel mechanism?

3 years tops... s'pose it sounds better than 90 days ;)
 
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surrounded by famous and reputable people. Which wouldn't be the case if they were bad characters.

Seriously? I can give you a very long list of very bad people who spent their entire lives surrounded by famous and reputable peers. Most of them worked for the BBC at some point, hint hint.
 
This could have been kept to PM's guys...both of you...simple as.

In other news...I popped into the PTU this evening (not something I usually do) to impatiently have a look at my Freelancer Max before 3.4 goes live...and it's orange [where is it]

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Standard Freelancer for comparison

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I thought it was supposed to look like this...

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Basically, the current offering of the Max looks like a Cut n' Shut welding job of an American school bus and a council bin lorry instead of that image...Looks I'll be melting again to get my Andromeda back....unless CiG stick some flashing orange beacons on top or I grow to like it...a lot.
 
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