Why does everyone call ED a space flight sim?

What a stupid argument to waste half a dozen pages on.

"Is/isn't a sim" is a daft distinction to try and make. The ED environment simulates things. That's what virtual environments do. The argument is really about the fidelity of the simulation, and whether that fidelity is sufficient - which is where things get subjective.

In terms of the flight model in open space (normal space only, that's the only environment where we have non-simulated "reality" to compare to so it's the only aspect of fidelity we can evaluate) we've a number of aspects to consider. Let's start with the simplest. FA-off.

Linear and angular acceleration are applied according to our control inputs. The mechanics of the game dictate limits to the flight envelope in terms of absolute linear and angular velocity but within those limits Newtonian mechanics are largely respected. It would be hard to envision any way in which FD could make FA-off flight a more faithful simulation of space flight unless future developments alter the underlying mechanics such that the available envelope gets larger.

But what about FA-on? Enabling this fly-by-wire system obviously departs radically from Newtonian flight. That's ok, it's supposed to. As we can see from the comments of RL pilots like 777Driver, it doesn't even require any handwavium to draw the parallels between the behaviour of RL FBW systems and ED FA-on.

All-in-all, this leads me, personally, to conclude that the folks DEMANDING greater fidelity in the flight model to "qualify as a sim" are full of thick brown stuff. But it is subjective and YMMV. It's certainly not worth squabbling about.
 
Oh, you haven't seen the sim racing community. Endless discussions about physics and what is the best simulation.

Had the misfortune of running the tech support and Beta team for a company branching into desktop flight simulators. Unbelievable, we had advisers on the team (Senior Captains) user base arguing with them over realism.. Had to remind them the only way you get 'Real' is to leave your house and strap yourself into an aircraft.
 
It's a futuristic space sim - as it's set in 3304 ish

How you can say this is not a true simulation of that is beyond me - because we are in 2018 not 3304.

So for the OP come back in 1184 years and if we do not fly ships then like we do in ED now you possibly may have a point.
 
The Autolpilot was invented in 1920, look at the tech we now have in 2018... People banging on about realism in a space sim set in 3304 :rolleyes:

this assumes progress is constant. there are several instances in our history of it getting backwards and civilizations and their entire bodies of knowledge getting buried for ages or lost forever, most notably the middle ages.

actually, the assumption that homo sapiens will be still around and kicking in 1300 years is also a bit simplistic. odds are it will (though it's not at all guaranteed) but even if it does it likely will have little resemblance with what we now consider 'human'.
 
Had the misfortune of running the tech support and Beta team for a company branching into desktop flight simulators. Unbelievable, we had advisers on the team (Senior Captains) user base arguing with them over realism.. Had to remind them the only way you get 'Real' is to leave your house and strap yourself into an aircraft.
Interesting information! Some people also have very unrealistic expectations about games.
 
this assumes progress is constant. there are several instances in our history of it getting backwards and civilizations and their entire bodies of knowledge getting buried for ages or lost forever, most notably the middle ages.

actually, the assumption that homo sapiens will be still around and kicking in 1300 years is also a bit simplistic. odds are it will (though it's not at all guaranteed) but even if it does it likely will have little resemblance with what we now consider 'human'.

I reckon we will wipe ourselves out in the next 200 years.. Spaceflight will consist of a few deep space probes and some tiny colonies on Mars and Europa.
 
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Watch this video (especially from timestamp 4:35):



If Scott Manley and NASA agree that ED is a Space Sim, it's a Space Sim. End of story. Live with it.

Yeah well, you know, like, with all their, like, experience faking the Moon landings they would, like, know what a Space Sim is, yeah? [wacky]
 
It's always a justification given for certain less entertaining elements of the game. It isn't a space sim. Have you seen what astronauts do? Elite is NOTHING like reality so can we please just get FDev focussing on making an enjoyable and engaging space game?

That's all I had to say really. Feel free to agree or disagree at your own leisure.

To be honest, your little beef with Elite Dangerous being just a game is ... well, a bit pointless, from what I see you would like the game to concentrate on being more 'Gamie'
well you already have FTL travel in different flavours, instant rebirth, instant replacement ship (no matter how engineered and or rare) instant cargo transfer and common sense stuff that's been omitted* for the sake of putting hurdles up for players... what more 'gaminess' stuff should they concentrate on?

* Portable battery to power the repair unit while it repairs the Power Plant is one glaringly obvious one!
* The ability to repair the hull would be another!
 
I reckon we will wipe ourselves out in the next 200 years.. Spaceflight will consist of a few deep space probes and some tiny colonies on Mars and Europa.

Be positive, we'll probably blow some fairly sizable chunks of stuff into orbit when there's an inevitable nuclear mistake. Future alien archeologists will be baffled by a Banksy.
 
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this assumes progress is constant. there are several instances in our history of it getting backwards and civilizations and their entire bodies of knowledge getting buried for ages or lost forever, most notably the middle ages.

actually, the assumption that homo sapiens will be still around and kicking in 1300 years is also a bit simplistic. odds are it will (though it's not at all guaranteed) but even if it does it likely will have little resemblance with what we now consider 'human'.

Yep, we will eventually be the weird archeological examples of whatever we evolve into.
 
c. odds are it will (though it's not at all guaranteed) but even if it does it likely will have little resemblance with what we now consider 'human'.

to be fair, so long as we do not wipe each other out, or in some other way make the planet inhospitable, it is highly unlikely much will change.

i think it is generally accepted that for the most part a homo sapiens from 50-200k years ago would largely be the same as from one today..... i doubt another 1.2k years will make much difference evolutionary speaking (it is only 30 or so generations after all)
 
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to be fair, so long as we do not wipe each other out, or in some other way make the planet inhospitable, it is highly unlikely much will change.

i think it is generally accepted that for the most part a homo sapiens from 50-200k years ago would largely be the same as from one today..... i doubt another 1.2k years will make much difference evolutionary speaking

We are as a species far too stubborn and bloody minded to do any more evolving when we can change our environment so much.
Of course, if we carry on changing said environment the way we are, we're going to break it entirely and then we won't have a choice anymore.
Assuming we even survive.
 
to be fair, so long as we do not wipe each other out, or in some other way make the planet inhospitable, it is highly unlikely much will change.

i think it is generally accepted that for the most part a homo sapiens from 50-200k years ago would largely be the same as from one today..... i doubt another 1.2k years will make much difference evolutionary speaking (it is only 30 or so generations after all)

I'm no expert, but pretty sure I've read about a million years to actually change species, and I know some say 10k years ago in humans is the first signs of real differences (still homo sapiens though, of course).

The big question going forward though, would be forced evolution via genetics.
 
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Oh heavens. Of course I don't believe the landings were faked. I'd be a bit of prat playing this game otherwise. Well, I might be a bit of a prat playing it, but certainly not for that reason.
 
Oh heavens. Of course I don't believe the landings were faked. I'd be a bit of prat playing this game otherwise. Well, I might be a bit of a prat playing it, but certainly not for that reason.

I think we have had a few here in the past who did, and flat earth types, hence my comment. Takes all sorts I guess.
 
The big question going forward though, would be forced evolution via genetics.

Which is the way it will eventually go. Combine that with everything else currently being tested on Animals. We will look like cave men to future generations.

Neural implants
Brain–computer interface
Cyberware
Strategies for Engineered Negligible Senescence
Nanomedicine
3D bioprinting
 
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