Beyond is great but please let the next updates focus on combat and PvP

[da_wae]

No thats not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is that everything you said about pvpers is off-your-rocker insane and your view towards pvpers is disgusting.
You should go back and see all the responses to your absolutely bonkers comment. Go ahead, I'll wait.....

Powerful arguments right there.

Edit: you still haven't provided any real arguments as to the removal of skill from PvP due to Engineering.
Pre-engineers the main issue with PvP was the lack of diversity in builds (they were all pretty much cookie cutter), but skill in the end was the ultimate deciding factor for the outcome of a battle.

Nowadays the deciding factor for the victor of almost any PvP encounter is how many hundreds of hours you spent engineering your ship (around the meta, and counter-meta), not your piloting skill.

In the rare event an "uber-meta-pvp-build" meets another in battle (and I say rare, cause most of the time they prefer interdicting people without any real ability to fight back to due the huge power disparity between their victim's unengineered builds vs the pvp meta build they use) - skill would indeed be the tie-breaker.

 

[AP Birdman]

Powerful arguments right there.

Edit: you still haven't provided any real arguments as to the removal of skill from PvP due to Engineering.
Pre-engineers the main issue with PvP was the lack of diversity in builds (they were all pretty much cookie cutter), but skill in the end was the ultimate deciding factor for the outcome of a battle.

Nowadays the deciding factor for the victor of almost any PvP encounter is how many hundreds of hours you spent engineering your ship (around the meta, and counter-meta), not your piloting skill.

In the rare event an "uber-meta-pvp-build" meets another in battle (and I say rare, cause most of the time they prefer interdicting people without any real ability to fight back to due the huge power disparity between their victim's unengineered builds vs the pvp meta build they use) - skill would indeed be the tie-breaker.

Because I'm not gonna waste my time with you. Your absurd comments should just be laughed into the ground. Someone with a disgusting point of view like this doesn't even deserve the respect of my time. Go kick rocks

 

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

Because I'm not gonna waste my time with you. You're absurd comments should just be laughed into the ground. Someone with a disgusting point of view like this doesn't even deserve the respect of my time. Go kick rocks

To be fair. Once you reach a certain point within the game. There are builds for specific purposes.

You can easily match your build against their weapons in contacts. And roll the dice on their defenses.

Sometimes people are just completely countered. But those that are completely countered also has their chance to escape.

But they have to engineer their defenses. And if they would stop whining. And go engineer the defenses of their ships.

Then people would find out there is not enough time where people are locked to an instance after they engineer, or no masslock at this time. Most of the time after you Grom someone that understands the game. They still have plenty of Health Pool to escape.

All I am seeing are the same people not willing to try and then blame others for using the games tools. Calling them griefers, but they arent willing to lose while they attack other player groups BGS systems.

Simply because they aren't willing to put the time in and use the game they built.

 

[da_wae]

Because I'm not gonna waste my time with you. You're absurd comments should just be laughed into the ground. Someone with a disgusting point of view like this doesn't even deserve the respect of my time. Go kick rocks

Very compelling counter-arguments [haha]

Edit: also, it's "your absurd comments", you want the possessive form, not "you're".

 

[AP Birdman]

Very compelling counter-arguments [haha]

Edit: also, it's "your absurd comments", you want the possessive form, not "you're".

Thanks buddy! I'm glad to have someone as smart and intelligent as you to proof read my posts.

 

[da_wae]

Thanks buddy! I'm glad to have someone as smart and intelligent as you to proof read my posts.

Would you rather people not read them at all?

Cause of now, they're barely intelligible rants at best, very poor attempts at trolling at worse.

 

[Screemonster]

People are still rolling out this "lol CQC is your equal footing but PVPers don't like it so clearly they only want sealclubbing in their engineered godships" meme?

Maybe they want to PvP on an even footing in something larger than an eagle

 

[AP Birdman]

Would you rather people not read them at all?

Edit: cause of now, they're barely intelligible rants at best, very poor attempts at trolling at worse.

Lol, you're hilarious.
If you really want to know what I think of you and your opinions, meet me over on Reddit

 

[da_wae]

Lol, you're hilarious.

And you're either delusional or willfully obtuse when you refuse to acknowledge the huge power creep that Engineers added to the game, along with the added exponential complexity of trying to balance any of the numerous possible combinations of engineered modules - resulting in the same cookie cutter PvP meta (albeit with a bit more variation) we had before Engineers, except locked behind hundreds of hours of grinding - basically preventing anyone from meaningfully participating in any "real" PvP unless they too spend hundreds of hours grinding mats, something that undoubtedly involves a lot of piloting skills [haha]

Edit (since quoted post was edited):

If you really want to know what I think of you and your opinions, meet me over on Reddit

What's this even supposed to mean? Am I supposed to be intimidated by mean words?
Or do you mean you lack the basic linguistic skills to discuss the subject without resorting to abusive language (which would surely get you punished in this forum)?

 

[da_wae]

People are still rolling out this "lol CQC is your equal footing but PVPers don't like it so clearly they only want sealclubbing in their engineered godships" meme?

Maybe they want to PvP on an even footing in something larger than an eagle

They could very much improve CQC, add the ability to bring your own ship (upon payment of a fee, but destruction wouldn't cause rebuy).
Possibly even introducing different CQC categories, ie:

1 - SLF CQC (what we currently have)
2 - BYOS (bring your own ship CQC) - Open Category (no restrictions in ship size / modules)
3 - BYOS - Small / Medium / Large Categories (restricted "weight classes").
4 - BYOS - Stock Category (No Engineering)

Lots of possibilities if you open your mind to them
Could even have Galaxy-Wide leader boards for all the categories.

 

[Captain Willard]

Next exp pack needs to focus on a new mission based objectives board for co-op and solo for human control of our galaxy..
With all the closed off systems this may be coming. Hopefully.
All for opening up cqc for the pew pew crowd.
An open mind? Some will never have that.

 

[truecut2]

I feel like all my brothers and sisters just got shiny new bikes and toys for Christmas and I'm still stuck playing with the same Lego set that's missing a bunch of pieces.
Beyond has been great for many people, no doubt, but combat missions still suck, PvP is mostly pointless, time to kill is way too high in fully engineered ships, and there are many weapons that are almost pointless for PvP.

At the very least, I'd love to see better rewards and payouts for combat missions. There's no reason why wing assassination missions and massacre missions need to be such low reward per effort missions considering the risk.

I don't like running cargo, I don't like mining, I don't like exploration and I don't see why I can't earn as much as everyone else doing what I enjoy most in the game and I know I'm not the only person who feels this way.
I lost many, many of my pve friends after Fdev nerfed the payouts for wing assassination missions in 3.0.

Also, why is there still no challenging pve for a full wing of players in fully engineered Corvettes? I understand that there needs to be easier missions for new players with little to no engineering but why does it have to be either/or? Why can't there be easy missions for new players and hard missions for a full wing of experienced players in fully engineered ships?

PvP on the other hand is a tough cookie and I don't even know where to begin with it.

I think it would at least be a start if Fdev made an official PvP system where rebuys we're waved crimes we're turned off. Fdev could also make it so that killing another player could reward you with credits or something. I don't know ow but something really needs to be done with PvP in this game.

I'm not even gonna mention "open only power play" because even if Fdev did this, I don't see players even using it anyways.

So please Fdev, I'm begging you, please work on combat and PvP next. Pretty, pretty please with sugar on top. Please don't just leave us out to dry.

Agree!!

 

[Bryan K]

Next exp pack needs to focus on a new mission based objectives board for co-op and solo for human control of our galaxy..
With all the closed off systems this may be coming. Hopefully.
All for opening up cqc for the pew pew crowd.
An open mind? Some will never have that.

Sounds like a lot of story writing, which is not really FDev’s strong suit these days. It’s taken years to go from Unknown Artifacts to actual Thargoid ships, afterall.

 

[AP Birdman]

Next exp pack needs to focus on a new mission based objectives board for co-op and solo for human control of our galaxy..
With all the closed off systems this may be coming. Hopefully.
All for opening up cqc for the pew pew crowd.
An open mind? Some will never have that.

I've championed for cqc to be brought into the game and allow us to use our own ships on many occasions, even if our own ships have to be unengineered that would be fine. I'm part of group that does unengineered, small ship pvp battles on Wednesday nights so engineering has nothing to do with it.

 

[da_wae]

I've championed for cqc to be brought into the game and allow us to use our own ships on many occasions, even if our own ships have to be unengineered that would be fine. I'm part of group that does unengineered, small ship pvp battles on Wednesday nights so engineering has nothing to do with it.

So, in order to avoid the inherent imbalance and power creep that Engineering brought to PvP, and partake in battles where piloting skills are the deciding factor - you engage in PvP battles that preclude Engineering (every Wednesday, as part of an organized effort - apparently).

Interesting... Almost as if you didn't try to argue that sentiment when I mentioned it, because you agree with it... [haha]

 

[AP Birdman]

So, in order to avoid the inherent imbalance and power creep that Engineering brought to PvP, and partake in battles where piloting skills are the deciding factor - you engage in PvP battles that preclude Engineering (every Wednesday, as part of an organized effort - apparently).

Interesting... Almost as if you didn't try to argue that sentiment when I mentioned it, because you agree with it... [haha]

No, I don't agree with you at all. You are absolutely absurd in your assumption of pvpers and you talk as though you've never done PvP yet you know all about pvpers and what they do. You're just a salty snowflake trying to pick fights. You clearly have no clue what you're talking about, which is why everyone laughs at your comments, yet you try to act like you're so smart and everyone should listen to you. You might be the first person to go on my ignore list.

 

[da_wae]

No, I don't agree with you at all. You are absolutely absurd in your assumption of pvpers and you talk as though you've never done PvP yet you know all about pvpers and what they do. You're just a salty snowflake trying to pick fights. You clearly have no clue what you're talking about, which is why everyone laughs at your comments, yet you try to act like you're so smart and everyone should listen to you. You might be the first person to go on my ignore list.

Hahahaha. Never done PVP, right. Because in my heyday I was never part of the GCI (among other groups), and never dealt with the inner circle of ED PvP. At all. [haha]

I'm obviously a complete ignorant about the state of PvP in Elite Dangerous, the PvP Meta, how people train, and all the Engineering effort that goes into it.

Edit: and yes, I obviously know that not all people who engage in PvP are uber-engineered-meta-builders, but a significant enough portion of the ED PvP community is, and puts at least the same amount of time in grinding materials for Engineering (to remain, as they say, competitive), as they put in training how to fly (normally the ratio is much higher towards procuring Engineering materials, tho). And god forbid FDEV changes anything that alters the PvP Meta - all those endless hours of grinding for Engineering materials for a specific build, and then the meta changes. All hell breaks lose.

 

[Tikigit]

Frontier spend years rolling out combat orientated updates primarily.

They finally give exploration and mining some attention in a single big update after leaving those areas of the game static and lacking any meaningful tools for all those years.

People then ask Frontier to focus on combat because they weren't the focus for a single update.

*sigh*

 

[AP Birdman]

Hahahaha. Never done PVP, right. Because in my heyday I was never part of the GCI (among other groups), and never dealt with the inner circle of ED PvP. At all. [haha]

I'm obviously a complete ignorant about the state of PvP in Elite Dangerous, the PvP Meta, how people train, and all the Engineering effort that goes into it.

Edit: and yes, I obviously know that not all people who engage in PvP are uber-engineered-meta-builders, but a significant enough portion of the ED PvP community is, and puts at least the same amount of time in grinding materials for Engineering (to remain, as they say, competitive), as they put in training how to fly (normally the ratio is much higher towards procuring Engineering materials, tho). And god forbid FDEV changes anything that alters the PvP Meta - all those endless hours of grinding for Engineering materials for a specific build, and then the meta changes. All hell breaks lose.

Cool story bro

 

[da_wae]

Cool story bro

Compelling and constructive arguments, as I've come to expect from you [haha]