Agree with this and I think the answer will be that some planets will always have an exlusion zone. For those it might be that you can just skim the top of the atmosphere. They could use real life examples of planets with glass rainfall to give them the option of a using a hostile atmosphere covas warning followed by caustic/temperature damage. Or in the case Morbad mentioned, the ship is gently deflected back into space. This might deal with how far you can fly into a gas giant.
Am I the only one who hopes our Ships *don't* get atmospheric landing?
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Agree with this and I think the answer will be that some planets will always have an exlusion zone. For those it might be that you can just skim the top of the atmosphere. They could use real life examples of planets with glass rainfall to give them the option of a using a hostile atmosphere covas warning followed by caustic/temperature damage. Or in the case Morbad mentioned, the ship is gently deflected back into space. This might deal with how far you can fly into a gas giant.
Rafe Zetter
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Sorry bud but you are mis-remembering - the Moray Starboat was designed as a patrol vessel for waterworlds where bases were underwater with the ability to go into space.
In the Original Elite from 1984 there were and are canonnonononically (how do you spell that?) no other "friendly" races known in the galaxy with only the Thargoids as the invaders.
Same goes for F:E2. FFE also only had Thargoids iirc.
I think your memory of the Moray Starboat is being merged with the X universe's Boron ships.
You're right. Space sofas, we want space sofas. And space foot stools.
With lasers, like Professor Farnsworth's!
They could simply add a buoyancy factor that worked in opposition to gravity and trying to force a ship down when the thrusters couldn't handle it would rapidly overheat the vessel...much like trying to fly inverted over a high-g world with FA On in a ship that has crap dorsal thrusters.
Could also make for a new niche for smaller vessels...they tend to be considerably more dense and could penetrate far further into some atmospheres.
The tactical considerations would also be interesting...lose thruster power and your Cutter starts to ascend, while a denser ship may continue to fall, until they reach a depth where atmospheric density is at and equilibrium with the ship.
Shields on vs. shields off could also significantly alter overall density as could ballast tanks. In the latter case, time may need to be spent filling and emptying them before one could dive or ascend past certain points.
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Is it time to dig out the old 'Flying Bedstead' pictures again?
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That would be the director's cut. You are right there are scenes in that that were almost criminally cut from the theatrical release . I see now there is a ultra HD release on the way (1st film at any rate so surely aliens will come too?) This could be the 1st version I pass on buying as I am not buying into another physical format until it comes built into a console I am interested in.
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I saw that at Biggin Hill air display once or twice. Precursor to the Harrier which was precursor to ....... the Sidewinder
Rafe Zetter
Banned
We didn't put the idea forward for Atmo landings - DB did in the KS, long before the KS even completed in his many interviews, chats, gaming press and a host of other places.
So forgive those of us who, after SIX YEARS since then, are still tapping our collective feet and looking at our watches impatiently.
Why some forum members are trying to make out that this is purely a fan / forum based suggestion is beyond my understanding - unless ofc they are just trying to lay the foundations of it not happening with a "well you don't always get what you ask for" scenario.
You can't "recreate the Milky Way Galaxy" and leave out all those bodies that are supposed to have atmospheres, without one; because then it's not a "recreation" is it?
not even a poor "degraded 5 times through a photocopier" version.
Would it be exaggerating to say about 30 - 50% of the stellar forge "recreation" is wrong? I doubt it.
What's with all the cagey talk about if the ships are capable of withstanding atmospheric entry? They canonically are. Ships land on planets with atmospheres pretty regularly in the Elite books, and every ship could do it in Frontier: Elite II. Our ships are, without question, designed to be able to withstand the stresses of atmospheric entry and flight.
As our good old Earth is the capital of the Federation, the question of the planets with the atmosphere is resolved.
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Mars is the capital. Someone hasn't read the codex.
What about surviving several hits from a PA?
Mars is the capital. Someone hasn't read the codex.
Sorry for the mistake. I’m still at the time when the Earth was the capital.
It is true that now it has the status of former capital.
But anyway we must to land on our good old Earth.
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Rafe Zetter
Banned
Depends entirely on the material - technologically we have bulletproof glass and polycarbonate in 2018 (and have had for some time) but I don't fancy a spaceship made out of them.
Ask any materials scientist - the ability to perform ONE type of function well has no bearing on whether it is suitable for something else.
The entire argument of "can they?" is all just speculation though and a bit pointless because FDev can say whatever they want about the properties of Meta-alloys and neo-fabric insulation.
You do realize we already have SOME atmospheric flight, right?
Guess you missed it - it's inside the mailslot of a station.
Doubt me? Have someone shatter your canopy then fly into a station. Suddenly, no longer on emergency air. I wonder where the air is coming from....
Guess you missed it - it's inside the mailslot of a station.
Doubt me? Have someone shatter your canopy then fly into a station. Suddenly, no longer on emergency air. I wonder where the air is coming from....
If you want to know if something is technically possible in a made up game with lots of handwavium and space magic all arguments quickly get pointless. If something is coherent with the rest of the game lore that's as realistic as it gets. And I'd say atmospheric landings are pretty much possible for our ships within the rules of the game world.
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Have to admit that this is what has been nagging at me about this thread.
We can break the immutable speed limit of the universe, the light barrier, without any time dilation side effects or any other weird effects on space time. Not even a bump on reaching 1.0c.
However, ships that can fly in atmospheres is just going too far.