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Last night for the first time I dicovered gas giant c3 with ammonia based life and biological life on a surface, all in the same system! I'm loving the new exploration update. Looking forward to caves and other phenomon to find in future updates.
Boy am I loving exploration!
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So how will returning the ADS permit you to discover the things you couldn't discover previously? Just curious as NSP's will only show up if you are fortunate enough to get within a 1000 Ls of them (I've been in 2 systems where that would happen) and the 'old' DSS couldn't find surface activity at all.
Fine that you detest the new mechanics, that is your right, but all the ADS gave you was an instant snapshot of the system...
Well, that's less discovery and more treasure hunt. For me, the knowledge there's stuff out there to discover is the carrot on the stick that finally has me exploring* (another thumbs up for 3.3 from this CMDR).
The amount of names for God, once all are discovered then... (Arthur C Clark short story), but agreed, exploration is that now - and 9 billion times better than honk / scoop / jump.
From Wikipedia:
Exploration is the act of searching for the purpose of discovery of information or resources. Exploration occurs in all non-sessile animal species, including humans. In human history, its most dramatic rise was during the Age of Discovery when European explorers sailed and charted much of the rest of the world for a variety of reasons. Since then, major explorations after the Age of Discovery have occurred for reasons mostly aimed at information discovery.
Treasure can be a resourse depending on the what the treasure is.
According to the cambridge dictionary exploration is:
exploration
noun [ C or U ] UK /ˌek.spləˈreɪ.ʃən/ US /ˌek.spləˈreɪ.ʃən/
the activity of searching and finding out about something:
Livingstone was the first European to make an exploration of the Zambezi river (= to travel to it in order to discover more about it).
We need to carry out a full exploration (= examination) of all the alternatives.
The exploration (= search) for new sources of energy is vital for the future of our planet.
It was the period when everyone saw men in space as the be-all and end-all of space exploration.
space exploration
undersea exploration
Scientists hope that data from the probe will pave the way for a more detailed exploration of Mars.
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/exploration
From what I can tell, people explore for different reasons, and that can be treasure hunting too.
It is also a big thumbs up for me too. I am really enjoying the new mechanics.
Really enjoying it.
I've decided to head back to the bubble three times now and then changed my mind and headed off in a new direction
I kinda get why the "legacy" explorers dislike the new system, maybe it was time for a change though? I have the hugest respect for the guys who went everywhere pre engineering/guardian tech... but it's been 4 years and maybe it's the right time for a change.
I've decided to head back to the bubble three times now and then changed my mind and headed off in a new direction
I kinda get why the "legacy" explorers dislike the new system, maybe it was time for a change though? I have the hugest respect for the guys who went everywhere pre engineering/guardian tech... but it's been 4 years and maybe it's the right time for a change.
Really love the new tools.
Key to it's continued success is that there is interesting stuff to find. It's been a good start, but I hope they keep adding stuff.
Ideally they won't tell us, just add it to the game at random points so it starts turning up. We will never know if we've found everything, just like reality.
Aps.
Key to it's continued success is that there is interesting stuff to find. It's been a good start, but I hope they keep adding stuff.
Ideally they won't tell us, just add it to the game at random points so it starts turning up. We will never know if we've found everything, just like reality.
Aps.
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That's not to my mind Exploration that's closer to tourism with the Codex being your holiday destination brochure including photo's, description and an address. You haven't discovered anything new you're just viewing first hand someone else's discovery. This in itself is not a bad thing btw the Codex serves a useful purpose, it could be used to give clue's and insight into what else there might be along with the Exploration tools to seek out new things. In fact the Codex has unconfirmed undiscovered items as an option its just not being used or the content isn't there.
My point and bone of contention in all of this is... If you go off into the void on an exploration expedition sooner or later you need to get some gameplay return on that venture otherwise it becomes pointless and demoralising. At some point having honked, scanned and probed enough systems planets etc you're going to get salty at the lack of anything new particularly if you are seeking something specific e.g. clues to the Guardians. Treasure hunt? Maybe if you consider the expansion of knowledge being the treasure.
Frontier have given us better 'Exploration tools' not better Exploration. I said this would be a risk when we got the first preview and that's exactly what's happened imho.
Wouldn't call that exploration. That's a "small detour".
But I agree, I love the new exploration mechanics. Never before I went out just exploring systems without even a destination in mind. I always wanted to reach this or fly to that.
Good comment - particularly about 'new' things... The Codex is supposed to give hints of 'new & exciting things' for us to follow up on, assuming that the Dev's weren't just trying to jolly us all along with the new system we yet may see the 'breadcrumbs' being dropped for us.
I didn't expect to see those hints immediately, let the fur that would fly on its introduction settle, rid a few bugs with patches - then I'd expect the 'good stuff'!
"Wait a month or so and see what happens" is how I feel ATM, but I've always been an optimist
(Oh, and I call myself a tourist rather than explorer as I just go places to see what's there...)
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Wouldn't call that exploration. That's a "small detour".
I fly further to get my newspapers on a Sunday
But flying that far was a 'bit of an adventure' in the very recent past for me, getting out from the comfort of the bubble feels like a big step - then you realise that your first big step opens up a whole lot more of them
Sort of. I was out near the Heart Nebula & found some anemones which are not listed at all for that region, not even rumoured. When I comp scanned them nothing happened. No codex update, nothing.
So it may be that the rumoured status is required before a thing can be added to the codex (seems a bit weak but puts a known cap on what's in that region) and rumoured may not yet be fully functional in all regions (or any?).
What I did notice is that the chance of finding an undiscovered organic or phenomena is higher in the Inner Spur Region then in others.
I've been exploring in Hawkins Gap and am now venturing the Outer Spur Region but haven't found a single organic or phenomena yet.
In the Inner Spur Region I've found a couple of them.
Maybe it's just bad luck though.
Pointless and demoralizing to you, perhaps. A lot of the reward for Explorers are the things you find that you were not necessarily searching for, or expecting to encounter. Currently, most of said things are just observations of various types with no real extended gameplay loops or mechanics to go with them, but those loops aren't really why they are out there to begin with.
It's fine that you need something more tangible, with the implied reasonable certainty that you will find what you are looking for in the first place before you even set out, but I hope you can see that what you want is actually the Tourism you yourself described, and nothing more.
There is nothing wrong with Tourism, but it's not Exploration.
I am glad to hear that you are enjoying yourself out there, Commander Hicks.
Riôt
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They have all been reported by now.
I found an NSP (Notable Stellar Phenomena) this morning on the way home but it was just inside the border of the Inner Orion Spur. I'm enjoying the box ticking aspect of the codex and the 42 galaxy regions is a crude but effective way to motivate me to travel to all of them (again in many cases) but it's a shame the codex wasn't pre-populated with existing discoveries.
Have you visited the NSP page on this site Riverside? Apart from a listing of visited locations (not large currently) it may be useful to determine other likely locations where they may be found:
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/467253-Notable-Phenomena-Repository-Please-add-yours!
I work alone Ratkatcher, I don't usually share my findings or use those of others, I just use the in-game tools.
If you're interested I found the NSP at OOCHOSS KM-C C29-2 this morning and pumpkins at PHRIO PHOE RD-B E2 C 2 (1 & 3 also had some IIRC) and in the NGC 281 nebula. The planets in the nebula were not first mapped by me, that was what confirmed it was a bug & not a first discovery for me.
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