Anti ADS people JUSTIFY your no compromise stance here.

[Leper Messiah]

As I've been getting overly involved in the disc...er arguments about the ADS I thought I'd try a thread where those against it's return can justify their reasons. Can we ALL try to be civil here? (and yes I AM looking at myself )

caveats:

1) Not liking the ADS is NOT a valid reason
2) Liking the new FSS mechanic is NOT a valid reason
3) Not liking others to have a choice is NOT a valid reason

all those above are purely selfish reasons and thus why I class them as not valid. Please try to not be selfish.

please also realise that:

a) The ADS does not make exploring faster or easier or more lucrative.
b) You HAVE to use the FSS in unexplored areas to get planet locations.
c) no one (reasonable) pro ADS is asking for a complete roll back.


The ONLY valid reason I have heard so far over are

1) Dev time.
2) dilution of the FSS mechanic
3) introduction of bugs

In conclusion the VAST majority of reason for non compromise are:

1) complete lack of understanding of what the word "compromise" means
2) a multitude of selfish reasons
3) strawman arguments to attack someone trying to arbitrate.

I'm out and with a bitter taste over this "fine" community, you've won...defeated me, have your "fatalities" have a drink, ciggy whatever your poison is and rejoice in crushing someone just trying to arbitrate a compromise under an avalanche of personal attacks.

 

[Non Grata]

I'm struggling to see the justification for another ADS thread

 

[Jukelo]

The ADS will tell me everything I need to know at a glance. I don't want that.

3) Not liking others to have a choice is NOT a valid reason

It's less that others have a choice that is the issue: it's that I would have the choice.

And I don't want to hear about the stupid "if you don't want it don't use it" argument. This is a game, not a toy.

 

[thistle]

so the caveats are disagreeing with you is not valid?

 

[Leper Messiah]

I'm struggling to see the justification for another ADS thread

For the Anto compromise people to have their say in a civil manner? the other threads descend into arguments. so good start <slow clap>

 

[Leper Messiah]

The ADS will tell me everything I need to know at a glance. I don't want that.



It's less that others have a choice that is the issue: it's that I would have the choice.

And I don't want to hear about the stupid "if you don't want it don't use it" argument. This is a game, not a toy.

Then yo do not BUY the module, solved, next.

 

[thistle]

"anti compromise people"

Yes. It's a good start ...

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

As I've been getting overly involved in the disc...er arguments about the ADS I thought I'd try a thread where those against it's return can justify their reasons. Can we ALL try to be civil here? (and yes I AM looking at myself )

caveats:

1) Not liking the ADS is NOT a valid reason
2) Liking the new FSS mechanic is NOT a valid reason
3) Not liking others to have a choice is NOT a valid reason

all those above are purely selfish reasons and thus why I class them as not valid. Please try to not be selfish.

please also realise that:

a) The ADS does not make exploring faster or easier or more lucrative.
b) You HAVE to use the FSS in unexplored areas to get planet locations.


The ONLY valid reason I have heard so far over the threads has been of Dev time. That I agree is a valid concern.

I disagree.

 

[Leper Messiah]

so the caveats are disagreeing with you is not valid?

eh, you mean those 3 are the ONLY reasons for not wanting the ADS? If so then that puts the Anti ADS people in the "selfish" camp, surely there are other reasons?

 

[Stigbob]

Its a downgrade back to an outdated placeholder and the devs have better things to do patching beyond and working on the funky new paid content. No need or point taking a step backwards.

 

[Aashenfox]

The only thing I like about it is that I don't have to fly to a body to 'discover' it and that all ships have it by default now. I wouldn't want it rolled back for those reasons. Perhaps a compromise could be reached, where the old functoinality is retained, but also the zoom ability, the USS discovery, and it continues to be a default weightless module not requiring an optional slot.

 

[Aashenfox]

eh, you mean those 3 are the ONLY reasons for not wanting the ADS? If so then that puts the Anti ADS people in the "selfish" camp, surely there are other reasons?

If you take away people's personal reasons, you left them with nowhere to go. Why are your reasons not selfish?

 

[Leper Messiah]

"anti compromise people"

Yes. It's a good start ...

How else would you word it? Can we discuss the thread and not pick holes in language please. I've given you all a chance to state your reasons in a civil manner and frankly it's already starting to descend into argument again. sheesh.

 

[Maro-Val]

I really hate some aspects of the ADS and i really hate some aspects of the FSS. Where does that put me in?

 

[Jukelo]

Then yo do not BUY the module, solved, next.

Since exploration is so devoid of risks, modules are dirt cheap for explorers. You don't need HRPs or MRPs, you don't need cell banks, you don't need high class shields (and if you don't have Horizons or don't intend on landing on planets a lot, you don't even need shields at all)... and with the FSS rework, you don't even need a discovery scanner anymore so the only modules of significant use for explorers are the DSS, the AFMU (if you are particulrly careless or plan on staying out in the black for a year or more) and the SRV bay (not really needed either, but good to have). Modules are not a good currency to make explorers spend.

And since the ADS was already taking up a slot and was still considered overpowered and just plain bad gameplay by Frontier, I'm sorry but you would have to give up a lot more than just a module to get back its functionality.

 

[Leper Messiah]

The only thing I like about it is that I don't have to fly to a body to 'discover' it and that all ships have it by default now. I wouldn't want it rolled back for those reasons. Perhaps a compromise could be reached, where the old functoinality is retained, but also the zoom ability, the USS discovery, and it continues to be a default weightless module not requiring an optional slot.

ah, that reminds me to add something up top, no one pro ADS is asking for a roll back. The compromises are various takes on what you suggest.

 

[Brrokk]

Won't. This thread has already been done.

 

[Marra Morgan]

It would take developers off other new projects.

 

[Leper Messiah]

If you take away people's personal reasons, you left them with nowhere to go. Why are your reasons not selfish?

ONLY if those reasons are selfish. i.e. "I don't want it because I don't like it" <-- text book selfish reasoning. Because "compromise" is unselfish, I've been smacking my head against a brick wall fighting for compromise (I love FSS by the way).

 

[Leper Messiah]

I really hate some aspects of the ADS and i really hate some aspects of the FSS. Where does that put me in?

Not in this thread? I dunno? A compromise may suit you?