It didn't insta reveal everything though, it required flying UP to the planets for the info we get via the FSS in seconds. If people prefer flying their spacecraft to do things WHY are you against that as an option? You use the FSS, they use the ADS.
Anti ADS people JUSTIFY your no compromise stance here.
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It didn't insta reveal everything though, it required flying UP to the planets for the info we get via the FSS in seconds. If people prefer flying their spacecraft to do things WHY are you against that as an option? You use the FSS, they use the ADS.
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THIS THREAD WAS NEVER ABOUT WHAT THE COMPOMRISE WAS TO BE, IT WAS TO EXPLORE WHY PEOPLE SEEM TO BE AGAINST EVEN DISCUSSING A COMPROMISE AND HOW THEY JUSTIFY THAT STANCE.
It was also to give the anti ADS side the chance to discuss their views in a civil manner, sadly pretty much abject failure there.
IMO there arn't many reasons why a compromise should not be attempted, it's all up to FD. I HOPE they listen beyond the chest thumping of the Anti ADS side.
Because its a waste of valuable dev time better spent on the new season.
The initial knee jerk WTH? sort of thread right at the start? ok yeah I agree, we are beyond that though are we not? I'm certain many of those would be happy with a compromise once they calmed down?
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Because four years of PRESS [USE] TO EXPLORE is enough.
If by your standards, someone that purchases a leisure product for his own enjoyment with his own money and then sees that leisure product changed in a way that provides less enjoyment and becomes unhappy with it makes him selfish, then sure, we are all selfish.
That's the point at which you look elsewhere.
LOL, no, more like how every thread devolves around 10 pages in. I'm talking about the Antifssa goons raiding "I love the new FSS" threads and openly mocking the FSS, Frontier, and anyone who likes the FSS. I'm not saying this is everyone, but the numbers are on par any "uncivil" people on the anti-ADS side.
Don't get me wrong, I enjoy teasing (you're all just a bunch of tourists compared to me, LOL), but both sides are become uncivil and even hostile. Denying this by laying the blame on just the "anti-ADS" crowd will endanger the very compromise you seek.
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Yeah, that brings us to the "spending 30-60 minutes in SC while watching Netflix" part of my comment, which isn't in any way shape or form an exaggeration. It was stupid and tedious and Fdev should be embarrassed for leaving it like that for 4ish years. They finally got around to replacing it with some gameplay, and will not go back to the old way because they recognize that it wasn't the way they want their game played. At the end of the day, I'm going to respect their decision and their vision.
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And I did, obviously.
But given there may be a slight chance all the money I spent over these 4 years doesn't become a complete waste, then why not ask for it?
Asking for the ADS to be brought back, not new developments, just something that was already there, and most importantly at the expense of nobody else's gameplay (as was already explained several times, fss-users would not be affected one iota), is not unreasonable.
I'm not particularly impressed with selflessness in real life, either.
I think there is a good argument to be made that OP's entire premise is flawed. But I have still not see an argument for the ADS other than not liking the FSS, or failing to adapt to the change.
I think its a valid point that FD or any developer should not bend to the will of a minority of the player base that reacts negatively to what is considered a positive change (by most). If only for the fact that it sets a precedent that if you whine loud enough, you get what you want.
It would be an entirely different scenario if a bulk of the player base hated it, and people were dropping the game in droves. But that is clearly not what we are dealing with here.
Well, yes. Yes you are. You selfishly care about your own enjoyment. But that is both normal and totally fine. Calling people selfish as an insult is insane in this context. You want FD to spend their resources on stuff you will personally like. Others want to have FD spend time on stuff they will personally like. If people disagree on what woukd be fun, they disagree on what FD should do.
The only non-selfish idea would be if people woukd want FD to spend their resources on stuff they dont like instead of stuff they would like. Nobody does that.
Its new paid content year and therefore a waste of dev time. Which affects every player.
double sigh, this thread wasn't set up to discuss pro ADS sides motivations for wanting it back, but yes ultimately EVERY decision a human makes has some bias towards selfishness, even selfless decisions if they make the person feel better about themselves. But that's a whole different discussion isn't it. If I hadn't put those caveats in then EVERY single reply would have been along the lines of "because I don't want it back". Which would completely defeat the purpose of the thread. I wanted well thought out reasonable points....and only got 2 so far.
And I've addressed Dev time as a valid reason in the first post.
, the debate on that is how much time and effort it would take, if it wasn't a lot of effort on FDs part would you be averse to the ADS returning?And you can use the FSS and other use the ADS, what is wrong with that?
A person who drinks a ton of Cola can't complain about all the money they spent "becoming a complete waste" if the formula changes. Unless you spent all your money on a game you never played, waiting for this day to head off in your starter Sidewinder.. If that's the case, ask for a refund.
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Lets compromise and have FD add some new weapons instead. It wont impact you, you dont have to use it.
Yes, I think we can all agree FD should add more weapons. Everyone who disagrees is selfish. And quite possibly a poopypants.
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Yes but please read the OP, this is not about removing the FSS or making everyone go back, I agree personally with everything you say about the SC discovery mechanic (it was indeed awful, and I stopped playing because it was so awful, new FSS has brought me back).
But many people liked flying their ships, and in a compromise they can do that and you (and me) can use the FSS.
The FSS doesn't stop you flying your ship, in fact you have to be flying to use it.
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