I hope DW2 gets ganked all the way to Beagle Point.
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You do know who you are talking to don't you? It would be hard to find anyone with more knowledge on Elite than Factabulous.
It would be illogical of FDev to be tracking this sort of thing anyway, for a number of reasons. such as
1. Do you really think staff are going to spend priority time filtering through drop out records?
2. How do you determine what is a Combat log drop out and what's not? I have had a couple of power outages last year due to extreme weather, am I combat logger for having a tree smash through my powerline???
3. If there was even a system/program to measure frequency of such events, how does it determine exterior events? such as power outages, internet disconnections, urgent personal matters and such.
4. why on Earth would FDev spend time even thinking about creating a program like mentioned above in the first place?!
5. If a punishment was devised, what happens if my power goes out and I get accused of CL? then being banned for my account for a reason completely out of my control? similarly, if an actual frequent CL was banned, what is to stop them from saying "my power/ internet went out"? FDev can't dispute this as if the case was show true (no matter how improbable) they could face some serious backlash.
You just have to accept that this is a part of the game that is exploitable no matter what you do, and to do anything about it could expose significantly more harm than good. Whilst FDev has stated that CL is cheating as it is not a form of viable gameplay, there is very little consequence delivered as people would have to be caught red-handed. If I can find the post again it does state that they are tracking it. but I have always deemed it as a scare tactic than anything else as the logical effort required would be too high for such a petty issue.
Precisely. Fleetcomm [the PG that DW2 takes place in] requires you to sign and agree to a non-aggressive play style (under threat of permaban if you don't comply and cause the destruction of another players ship). Pretty straight forward so far...
If some people feel that such 'limitations' should not be applied ... Sorry but that's their problem. Any such actions are therefore illegal in that PG and any players should be duly processed and removed... Harry Potter et al trying to tease players into Open at the Brooks meetup point by suggesting that there are 'races' taking place in Open is precisely WHY we need such PGs ... (the only 'races' taking place are who can destroy the innocent newbie the quickest...). Its because of dumb posts like this that I stopped reading the forums... I come back on to see if there is anything related to DW2 of interest ... and this is the kind of nonsense I find!
Interesting... I spent 3 hours travelling to WP1 last night and saw no-one until I landed at WP1.
Worth repeating.
So where then, would 500 peaceful players be able to congregate safely?
The problem is in the real world, criminals are a very small minority, due to the extreme consequences of getting caught. So most of the time we can go about our lives, knowing that if we are mugged or murdered, it was most likely an extremely unlucky random event or we did something to bring that down on us. These explorers did nothing to bring this down on them and this was not random, it was targeted. In real life there are motivatoins too. You screwed my wife, you spilt my beer, you kicked my dog, there;s not even motive in what these people are doing, beyond laughing at how the game does not allow one to outfit for combat and exploring at the same time.
In Elite, because there are no meaningful consequences, you have a FAR higher percentage of criminals and a far higher likelihood of being murdered the absolute INSTANT you step out of your door.
since you're citing that PG is being 'used incorrectly', would you not agree that Open is 'being used incorrectly' in this way? Do you both think that was the original idea behind open? And if open can adapt to circumstances (it's the wild wild west), then so can PG.
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With the risk of repeating myself: that's perfectly understandable.
Except Fleetcomm is not the only non-PvP private group with a strict set of rules. Another one is Mobius with tens of thousands of members. And it being managed just by one guy (or maybe he has help, I don't know), and with that many members, it unreasonable to expect him to filter everything correctly.
So with this state of affairs and the game being as cheap as it is, I expect is much much easier to carry out this sort of activity in Mobius, and because this precedent has been set, I expect everyone in Mobius to request FDEV Support, even if it's not guaranteed and "on a case by case basis".
In fact Mobius should just stop actively managing the group since it seems it can all fall back to FDEV Support. Such nice guys these FDEV people.
So good luck dear FDEV support team. With the lack of a PvE mode I truly feel for you.
Btw, this thread started as a rant about the lack of a PvE more than anything. Not that I prefer PvE mode over other solutions to the game's problems, but it seems FDEV isn't keen on implementing either, and would be rather happier with unsatisfied players spamming Support.
This would not prevent the problem.
If this was implemented without first adding a PVP flag/PVE Open mode, you would likely have less players in Elite. I for one would stop playing Elite if I could only play in Open or Solo.
I want to play with other commanders, not against them (PVP). I like seeing other players in game.
No it's not. Sundae's point is incorrect, Frontier themselves have not only increased the allowed size of PG's but have also supported and protected their usage over the years, especially the large ones. These actions are the opposite of what Sundae states, thus his point is moot and biased.
He says that small handicapped PG's would have prevented the mess in the first place? He is purposefully misconstruing the point. What would truly have prevented the mess is ganking PvP'ers respecting other playstyle choices rather than imposing their own onto everyone else. That reality does not fit Sundae's agenda though, which is to grief other players. Thus his point is not worth repeating due to it being hypocritical and incorrect.
Also, he/she cites that PG is being abused, but what's going on in Open is 100% intended in the original vision of the game. lol. Nice one.
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Whilst this maybe true of PRIVATE groups you are conveniently ignoring that there were meant to be multiple open modes each with their own rules set, one being PVE. FD chose to drop that with the view that PGs could pick up the slack.
David Braben was hugely niaeve he wanted MP between human players (members of the same faction) to be largely cooperative with faction infighting being frowned upon... to the point that even pirates would not want to destroy their quarry but would instead disable and steal.
I truly believe DB expected 99% of PVP in ED to be between a criminal and a bounty hunter.
Many people said at the time this would not happen . I hoped it did but it didn't...... So I use the next best alternative ... To use a PG with rules closer to what DB told us.
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It's worth it for another point and laugh.
The mere fact griefers are bemoaning the success of Private Groups is testament of the value of large Private Groups. So repeat it all day long as far as I'm concerned
Also, he/she cites that PG is being abused, but what's going on in Open is 100% intended in the original vision of the game. lol. Nice one.
whilst i do not think it was initially intended in open either, it is clearly "allowed" and it is clear that open has been like this for quite some time. At this point anyone not prepared for the possibility should not be in open, so on that i kind of agree / concede the point..
Co-operative PvE play between CMDRs is so much more rewarding than random pew pew. Co-operative PvP between CMDR's is also much more rewarding than random pew pew. Random destruction is utterly pointless. Getting your rocks off, by irritating people, is so narrow a pursuit. Expand your horizons guys. Group hugs?
Yeh, whatever you say about one can equally be said about the other. It's a feature of sociopathic people that they can't relate to the experiences of others. Such one sided rhetoric in this thread from some quarters is case in point. Bullies have little empathy.
Mark for research, od1 neg, prob pd.
Exactly.
All you see on threads like this are the people on the one hand who want to enjoy Elite, do a bit of trading, mining some missions etc etc and they enjoy it.
On the other hand you have the gankers who think it is funny to pick on the weak and needy.
It is just like the bully smashing the other kids sandcastle on the beach - they would say all we wanted to do was build a sand castle, find some shells and then maybe see how long we could keep it going while the tide came on - ganker will just come along and smash sandcastle
Ganker will say smashing sandcastle's is part of being on the beach - victims would disagree - and at the very least you would expect sandcastle smasher to build his own sandcastles
But no he goes away and then comes back in a 3 ton jeep to squash more sandcastles
The only enjoyment a ganker can get from that is from other people's misery - their life has not got any better - but they have enjoyed making someone else's life worse - and they get enjoyment out of that.
So any ganker who engages in engages in PVP purely for their own enjoyment really needs to understand the only reason they enjoy it is because they have made someone else's life slightly worse.
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All you see on threads like this are the people on the one hand who want to enjoy Elite, do a bit of trading, mining some missions etc etc and they enjoy it.
On the other hand you have the gankers who think it is funny to pick on the weak and needy.
It is just like the bully smashing the other kids sandcastle on the beach - they would say all we wanted to do was build a sand castle, find some shells and then maybe see how long we could keep it going while the tide came on - ganker will just come along and smash sandcastle
Ganker will say smashing sandcastle's is part of being on the beach - victims would disagree - and at the very least you would expect sandcastle smasher to build his own sandcastles
But no he goes away and then comes back in a 3 ton jeep to squash more sandcastles
The only enjoyment a ganker can get from that is from other people's misery - their life has not got any better - but they have enjoyed making someone else's life worse - and they get enjoyment out of that.
So any ganker who engages in engages in PVP purely for their own enjoyment really needs to understand the only reason they enjoy it is because they have made someone else's life slightly worse.
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Also, he/she cites that PG is being abused, but what's going on in Open is 100% intended in the original vision of the game. lol. Nice one.
Both yes and no.
I'm all in for open in 95% of the cases. The problem happens when for example, I'm doing a combat zone fight, and suddenly a griefer appears and destroys my ship while my shields are low/down (not sure in such cases my faction would attack the griefer in an overwhelming fashion, probably not).
Or another example, I'm hauling cargo for a CG, and for the lulz, my landing pad is blocked or being gently remmed around so that I cannot land.
Even better, I get rammed below 100 m/s in a T9 by an FAS, then rammed again and get fined as I was doing 200+ m/s because of the speed gain by the first ramming.
Having stopped by a genuine pirate, then either fall, or hand over cargo then leave - both are great gameplays and happened to me.
And we are back at the impossible task of C&P.
No doubt there is separation between reasonable pvp emerging (as WAS in the original vision of the game) and blatant griefing. I too play open, I hunt the PKers, they are my content and I am theirs, but I'll never support ruining someone else's fun 'for the sake of it' or 'because I can', because I have respect for my fellow man.
I don't even need it reciprocated, because it's who I am.
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Ha, imagine the insane amount of salt on the forums if the PVE server gets introduced.