You do realise that my only vice is mocking people on this forum?
In game, I play as a vigilante, fighting criminals and smashing up the BGS of criminal groups.
Don't let that stop your myopic prejudices, though
I hope DW2 gets ganked all the way to Beagle Point.
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You do realise that my only vice is mocking people on this forum?
In game, I play as a vigilante, fighting criminals and smashing up the BGS of criminal groups.
Don't let that stop your myopic prejudices, though
I hear you M&M.
This is a valid point, there will always be an element that behaves a certain way inside a framework, and if their behaviour is undesirable, it's the fault of the framework. No question.
Now on this I can agree with you completely. Frontier could make all of these Hotel California type threads and debates completely irrelevant with an official PvE mode. I wish they just would do it so people could happily play the way they prefer to.
You do realise that my only vice is mocking people on this forum?
In game, I play as a vigilante, fighting criminals and smashing up the BGS of criminal groups.
Don't let that stop your myopic prejudices, though
How did you talk Phisto into coming over to the light side?
He aint heavy, he's my brother.
I don't care what happens in a PG. Unless!
I care when FD publicly endorse/promote and reimburse (on a case by case basis, don't you know) a single private group with thousands of players with the clear intention of it being a "PvE environment".
What haphazard nonsense is this. The playground is obviously broken, and has been since release. Thinking this would work was naive to put it mildly, but FD had never made an MMO before, so I forgive them for that. I don't however forgive them for continuing to blunder along this broken path.
The are people thinking you need staff to detect ungraceful quits. Client sends logging out info, legit. Client doesnt but the connection terminates (time out, connection refused... what have you...), its a ungraceful quit. Why would you need staff for this? Similary its very easy to count said disconnects and circumstances and flag accounts for review and even apply automatic sanctions. Do you really think mmos expend actual human power on this? Some armchair experts we got here...
Not even that im suggesting to punish combat logging with sanctions, im simply suggesting to make it unfeasible because combat logging now will invariably result in your destruction if you do it in a actual combat situation.
You stated the solution yourself, they're still connected to the frontier servers... if not then its dummy time.
1. No because theres no need. Its a incredibly simple and automated process and not even needed the way i want it.
2. & 3. It doesnt. You quit the game ungracefully and you eat it, same as when you ram another car in real life and it doesnt matter one bit if the roads are slippery, the brake broke or whatever else, you gonna pay the fine for causing a accident. Same as in the hypotetical case someone hacks into your account and causes mayhem, you're the owner and held responsible.
4. Because making combat logging impossible eliminates tickets about combat logging and is a completly automatic system. In short, it reduces work, unlike what you suggest.
5. Again the underlying cause doesnt matter. Frequent disconnects in these situations are disruptive and dealt with accordingly. Once or twice? No big deal. Constantly? Guilty as charged, wheter thats playing multiplayer when you clearly shouldnt or cheating. Besides, theres no need to have sanctions on top of the normal ship loss this would cause, this isnt a competive team game where you leaving ruins the game for others. (aka DotA LoL etc)
Not even that im suggesting to punish combat logging with sanctions, im simply suggesting to make it unfeasible because combat logging now will invariably result in your destruction if you do it in a actual combat situation.
You stated the solution yourself, they're still connected to the frontier servers... if not then its dummy time.
1. No because theres no need. Its a incredibly simple and automated process and not even needed the way i want it.
2. & 3. It doesnt. You quit the game ungracefully and you eat it, same as when you ram another car in real life and it doesnt matter one bit if the roads are slippery, the brake broke or whatever else, you gonna pay the fine for causing a accident. Same as in the hypotetical case someone hacks into your account and causes mayhem, you're the owner and held responsible.
4. Because making combat logging impossible eliminates tickets about combat logging and is a completly automatic system. In short, it reduces work, unlike what you suggest.
5. Again the underlying cause doesnt matter. Frequent disconnects in these situations are disruptive and dealt with accordingly. Once or twice? No big deal. Constantly? Guilty as charged, wheter thats playing multiplayer when you clearly shouldnt or cheating. Besides, theres no need to have sanctions on top of the normal ship loss this would cause, this isnt a competive team game where you leaving ruins the game for others. (aka DotA LoL etc)
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You do realise that my only vice is mocking people on this forum?
In game, I play as a vigilante, fighting criminals and smashing up the BGS of criminal groups.
Don't let that stop your myopic prejudices, though
Yeah, Kari's good people.
You're good people as well.
In fact, I have yet to meet no good people in Elite Dangerous.
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Honestly i do not think i have ever defended clogging before however if anyone in a PG where no PvP is allowed clog against someone attacking them, personally i think it is a non issue <shrugs>. In open however it is different.
You do realise that my only vice is mocking people on this forum?
In game, I play as a vigilante, fighting criminals and smashing up the BGS of criminal groups.
Don't let that stop your myopic prejudices, though
And there were how many criminals doing criminal type things at the DW2 start point?
I love how you ignored my response to you.
This is a P2P game. There's the problem of two peers suddenly not seeing each other anymore. FD just knows that Peer A and Peer B don't see each other anymore. At most they could determine that Peer A can still see FD's servers but Peer B cannot, which means you could detect someone pulling a cable. But you can't detect someone blocking the packets of another peer. Which is what I did on video, I had another commander fly with me, I started blocking his packets and he vanished from my instance, just as I vanished from his. Frontier cannot detect who disconnected from whom.
This has been demonstrated. It's proven fact.
Don't call people armchair experts when you obviously do not know enough of the technical details to make accurate statements.
Lol this is the most asinine thread I've seen on here in 4.5 yrs. Well done OP
I dunno, wasn't there - was doing some engineering.
OK, so how is one of the clients to know that the other is still connected to the server and refrain from displaying a dummy ship?
Yeah I posted hastily and regretted it, but as you say if the huntsmen lied or fooled the organisers it's not the organisers fault but I feel FD should come down hard on the huntsmen like a tonne of bricks (in the PGs of course I'm not talking about open (sewer)). I really do think it's time for PvE and solo types to put more pressure on FD to sort things and tell the bad PvPers to go do one.
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I treat people the way they treat me originally, I'm polite to polite people and not polite to those who are not polite, sooooo disagree with me in a polite way and I'll reply politely, disagree in an impolite way then I reply in kind. Lot's of people don't like a mirror held up to them.
Why am I sensing the FSSers ganging up on me yet again, borderline harassment any more and I'll report it.
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